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FReeper Canteen ~ Part XI of War in Ancient India ~ September 21, 2004
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ANCIENT WARFARE





Part XI: War in Ancient India

 
Accounts of Foreign Travelers to India

Coming to later times we have the account of Hiuen Tsang who notices a fleet of 3,000 sail belonging to the King os Assam. There is inscriptional evidence of the possession of a fleet under the Kakatiyas and the Cholas in South india. Marco Polo testifies to the huge size and efficient construction of Indian vessels while Yule in his Cathey refers to Rajput ships en route to China. Marco Polo, a famous Venetian traveler who visited India in 13th Century also visited Thane Port. The first chapter of his book which deals with India is almost devoted to shipbuilding industry in India. Friar Odoric of Pordenone, an Italian Monk who visited India in 14th Century, in his account of his voyage across the Indian Ocean, a mention is made of ships which can carry 700 people.

"Ships of size that carried Fahien from India to China (through stormy China water) were certainly capable of proceeding all the way to Mexico and Peru by crossing the Pacific. One thousand years before the birth of Columbus Indian ships were far superior to any made in Europe upto the 18th century."

(source: The Civilizations of Ancient America: The Selected Papers of the XXIXth International Congress of Americanists  - edited Sol Tax 1951).

Ludovico di Varthema (1503 A. D) saw vessels of 1,000 tons burden built at Masulipatnam. According to Dr. Vincent, India built great sized vessels from the time of Agathareids (171 B.C.) to the 16th century. And no wonder the Portuguese, when they first landed at the west coast, were carried away by the excellent Indian vessels. Later still, the Vijayanagar Empire, which had as many as 300 ports, had a powerful fleet. The naval commander was styled Naviyadaprabhu.

India has a coastline of about 6300 kms. Extensive new archaeological, epigraphical, sculptural and literary material has been added to our knowledge since the early decades of this century. Dr. Radha Kumud Mookerji's Book Indian Shipping - A History of the Sea-Borne Trade and Marine Activity of The Indians From The Earliest Times published in 1912 Orient Longmans ISBN 8121509165) is the most comprehensive study of Indian Navigation up to that period. We now know that many ports on both Eastern and Western Coast had navigational and trade links with almost all Continents of the world. There are many natural and technological reasons for this. Apart from Mathematics and Astronomy, India had excellent manufacturing skills in textile, metal works and paints. India had abundant supply of Timber. Indian - built ships were superior as they were built of Teak which resists the effect of salt water and weather for a very long time. 

"The art of Navigation was born in river Sindhu 6000 years ago. The very word navigation is derived from Sanskrit word Nav (or Nav-ship) Gatih."

Lieut. Col. A Walker's
paper: "Considerations of the affairs of India" written in 1811 had excellent remarks on Bombay-built ships. He notes, "situated as
she is between the forests of Malabar and Gujarat, she receives supplies of timber with every wind that blows." Further he says, "it is calculated that every ship in the Navy of Great Britain is renewed every twelve years. It is well known that teakwood built ships last fifty years and upwards. Many ships Bombay-built after running fourteen or fifteen years have been brought into the Navy and were considered as stronger as ever. The Sir Edward Hughes performed, I believe, eight voyages as an Indiaman before she was purchased for the Navy. No Europe-built Indiaman is capable of going more than six voyages with safety."

He has also further noted that Bombay-built ships are at least one-fourth cheaper than those built in the docks of England. Francois Balazar Solvyns, a Belgian/Flemish maritime painter, wrote a book titled Les Hindous in 1811. 

His remarks are, "In ancient times, the Indians excelled in the art of constructing vessels, and the present Hindus can in this respect still offer models to Europe-so much so that the English, attentive to everything which relates to naval architecture, have borrowed from the Hindus many improvement which they have adopted with success to their own shipping.... The Indian vessels unite elegance and utility and are models of patience and fine workmanship." 

(source: http://www.orientalthane.com/speeches/speech_2.htm).

Surprisingly, many earlier western traders and travelers have expressed the same views. Madapollum was a flourishing shipping centre. Thomas Bowrey, an English traveler who visited India during 1669-79, observes, " many English merchants and others have their ships and vessels yearly built (at Madapollum). Here is the best and well grown timber in sufficient plenty, the best iron upon the coast, any sort of ironwork is ingeniously performed by the natives, as spikes, bolts, anchors, and the like. Very expert master-builders there are several here, they build very well, and launch with as much discretion as I have seen in any part of the world. They have an excellent way of making shrouds, stays, or any other rigging for ships".

A Venetian traveler of 16th Century Cesare de Fedrici, while commenting on the East Coast of India has noted that there is an abundance of material for ship building in this area and many Sultans of Constantinople found it cheaper to have their vessels built in India than at Alexandria. 

Nicol Conti who visited India in 15th century was impressed by the quality Indians had achieved in ship building. He observes:

"The nations of India build some ships larger than ours, capable of containing 2,000 butts, and with five sails and as many masts. The lower part is constructed with triple planks, in order to withstand the force of the tempests to which they are much exposed. But some ships are so built in compartments that should one part be shattered, the other portion remaining entire may accomplish the voyage."

J. Ovington, Chaplain to the British King, the seventeenth-century English traveler, who visited Surat, wrote a book  A Voyage to Surat in the Year 1689. He was impressed by the skill of the Indians in ship-building and found that they even outshone Europeans. The timber used by the Indians was so strong that it would not ‘crack’ even by the force of a bullet so he urged the English to use that timber ‘to help them in war’. Indian Teak stood firmer than the English Oak, remarked Ovington. 

Thomas Herbert, a traveler who visited Surat in 1627, has given an interesting account of the arrival, loading and unloading of ships through small boats at Swally marine (Sohaly), a few kilometres away from Surat. He remarked that between September and March every year, the port of Sohaly presented a very busy and noisy scene for there came many ships from foreign lands. The merchants (baniyas) erected their straw huts in large numbers all along the sea coast, making the whole place thus look like a country fair. The merchants sold various commodities like calicoes, ivory, agates, etc. Many small boys engaged by the merchants were seen running about doing odd jobs. The English found that the small boats used and constructed by the natives could be of immense use. This was a definite gain for both nations. Boats and rafts were used as a means of conveyance for loading and unloading ships. There were about 4200 big and 4400 small boats. There were large-sized boats that could carry even elephants. The boats used by kings and nobles were designed to look artistic. Abul Fazl writes about the "wonderfully fashioned boats with delightful quarters and decks and gardens" 

 

Among the primitive Indian boats, the cattarmaran comes first. It consisted of three logs and three spreaders and cross lashings. The centre log was the largest, and pointed towards one end. Mainly fishermen used the cattarmaran for fishing. A little more skillfully made is the musoola boat, which has no iron fastening. It was mostly used in the Coromandel coast. Dr John Fryer says, "It is possible that the name musoola may be connected with Masulipatarn where boats seem to have been in use".

Another boat made in an indigenous manner was known as dingy. It was hollowed out from a single trunk. Lower down the Ganga, the name was applied to boats half-decked, half wagon-roofed and built of planks.

Purqoo was another type of boat described by Thomas Bowery. It plied between the Hooghly and Balasore. These boats were made very strong to carry ‘sufficient load’. They were also used for loading ships. they could remain in water for a long time without getting damaged. As compared to the purqoo, boora was a ‘lighter boat’ which rowed with 29 or 30 oars. These boats were also used for carrying saltpeter and other commodities.

(source:
Coastal trade flourished with Europeans - By Pramod Sangar).

Sir John Malcolm writes"

"Indian vessels are so admirably adapted to the purpose for which they are required that, notwithstanding their superior science, Europeans were unable, during an intercourse with India for two centuries, to suggest or to bring into successful practice one improvement."

(source: Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Vol. I). 

In the middle of the 18th century, John Grose noted that at Surat the Indian ship-building industry was very well established, indeed, “They built incomparably the best ships in the world for duration”, and of all sizes with a capacity of over a thousand tons. Their design appeared to him to be a “a bit clumsy” but their durability soundly impressed him. They lasted “for a century”. 

Lord Grenville
mentions, in this connection, a ship built in Surat which continued to navigate up the Red Sea from 1702 when it was first mentioned in Dutch letters as “the old ships” up to the year 1700.” Grenville also noted that ships of war and merchandise “not exceeding 500 tons” were being built” with facility, convenience and cheapness” at the ports of Coringa and Narsapore.  

Dr. H. Scott sent samples of dammer to London, as this vegetable substance was used by the Indians to line the bottom of their ships; he thought it would be a good substitute “in this country for the materials which are brought from the northern nations for our navy…There can be no doubt that you would find dammer in this way an excellent substitute for pitch and tar and for many purposes much superior to them.”

source: Decolonizing History: Technology and Culture in India, China and the West 1492 to the Present Day - By Claude Alvares  p. 68-69).

Alain Danielou (1907- 1994) son of French aristocracy, author of numerous books on philosophy, religion, history and arts of India has written:

"India's naval dockyards, which belonged to the state, were famous throughout history. The sailors were paid by the state, and the admiral of the fleet hired the ships and crew to tradesmen for transporting goods and passengers. When the British annexed the country much later on, they utilized the Indian dockyards - which were much better organized then those in the West - to build most of the ships for the British navy, for as long as ships were made of wood."

(source: A Brief History of India - By Alain Danielou  p. 106).

***

India became the first power to defeat a European power in a naval battle - The Battle of Colachel in 1742 CE.

A dramatic and virtually unknown past, in an area of bucolic calm surrounded by spectacular hills: that is Colachel, a name that should be better known to us. For this is where, in 1741, an extraordinary event took place -- the Battle of Colachel. For the first, and perhaps the only time in Indian history, an Indian kingdom defeated a European naval force. The ruler of Travancore, Marthanda Varma, routed an invading Dutch fleet; the Dutch commander, Delannoy, joined the Travancore army and served for decades; the Dutch never recovered from this debacle and were never again a colonial threat to India. 

 

   

The ruler of Travancore, Marthanda Varma, routed an invading Dutch fleet; the Dutch commander, Delannoy, joined the Travancore army and served for decades; the Dutch never recovered from this debacle and were never again a colonial threat to India. 

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The Battle of Colachel in 1742 CE,  where Marthanda Varma of Travancore crushed a Dutch expeditionary fleet near Kanyakumari. The defeat was so total that the Dutch captain, Delannoy, joined the Travancore forces and served loyally for 35 years--and his tomb is still in a coastal fort there. So it wasn't the Japanese in the Yellow Sea in 1905 under Admiral Tojo who were the first Asian power to defeat a European power in a naval battle--it was little Travancore. The Portuguese and the Dutch were trying to gain political power in India at that time. Marthanda Varma defeated the Dutch in 1741. He was an able ruler. He established peace in his country - Travancore. It was a remarkable achievement for a small princely state.

(source: The Battle of Colachel: In remembrance of things past - By Rajeev Srinivasan - rediff.com and  http://www.kerala.com/kera/culture1.htm). For more refer to chapter on ).

For more information on Navy refer to chapters on Pacific Suvarnabhumi and Seafaring in Ancient India). 

 

Next Tuesday, Part XII of War in Ancient India






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To: tomkow6

MINE!


201 posted on 09/21/2004 11:17:25 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

Good day to you, 4CJ, and thanks for stopping in and helping to honor our military men and women.


202 posted on 09/21/2004 11:21:15 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her)
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Soldiers ask questions Monday about the death of Sheik Mohammed Jadoa al-Janabi, who was killed in Baghdad’s predominantly Shiite Baya neighborhood. Al-Janabi was killed in his home near the mosque.  Samir Mizban / AP photo

Soldiers ask questions Monday about the death of Sheik Mohammed Jadoa al-Janabi, who was killed in Baghdad’s predominantly Shiite Baya neighborhood. Al-Janabi was killed in his home near the mosque.

I am sorry but we cannot let you in without a valid Iraqi Driver's License.


Army National Guard Spc. Jeremiah Jardsek, of Orlando, Fla., helps Federal Emergency Management Agency volunteers stack up ice for victims of Hurricane Ivan on Saturday in Destin, Fla.  Alan Diaz / AP photo

Army National Guard Spc. Jeremiah Jardsek, of Orlando, Fla., helps Federal Emergency Management Agency volunteers stack up ice for victims of Hurricane Ivan on Saturday in Destin, Fla.

 Snowman builders in Florida generally have to work very quickly and the snow is usually kept under wraps until the work is completed.

 

 

Soldiers from Alpha 37 Field Artillery use an M119 Howitzer during a training exercise Friday near the Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan. The M119 Howitzer is a lightweight 105mm towed weapon. The soldiers are deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.  Spc. Jerry T. Combes / U.S. Army photo

Soldiers from Alpha 37 Field Artillery use an M119 Howitzer during a training exercise Friday near the Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan. The M119 Howitzer is a lightweight 105mm towed weapon. The soldiers are deployed to Afghanistan in support of Operation Enduring Freedom.

If it is such a lightweight weapon why does it have to be towed?

 

 

Soldiers with C Company, 2nd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, conduct a cordon and raid operation in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood on Monday.  M. Scott Mahaskey / Military Times staff

Soldiers with C Company, 2nd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, conduct a cordon and raid operation in Baghdad's Sadr City neighborhood on Monday.

The search for WMD leaves no drawer in Sadr City unturned.


Army tanks with 2nd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, provide security for a cordon and search operation in Baghdad's Sadr City on Monday.  M. Scott Mahaskey / Military Times staff

Army tanks with 2nd Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division, provide security for a cordon and search operation in Baghdad's Sadr City on Monday.

Do you think that the photographer is enjoying the view straight down a tank's main barrel?

 

 

Soldiers investigate after a car bomb exploded Saturday while a U.S. military convoy was passing by in Baghdad. Three soldiers were wounded in the attack, the military said.

The daylight fireworks display turned out be a big disappointment.

 

Pitcher Diller Fakhraddin, 16, tosses a fastball Wednesday during his baseball league’s opening day game at Altun Kupri, Iraq.  Spc. Sean Kimmons / AP photo

Pitcher Diller Fakhraddin, 16, tosses a fastball Wednesday during his baseball league’s opening day game at Altun Kupri, Iraq.

The "throw a ball like John Kerry" competition attracted a lot of interest.


Capt. Deron Haught, 37, congratulates winning Team Nawruz, as he shakes hand with Ahmed Jager, 14, an infielder, after the opening day game at Altun Kupri, Iraq, Wednesday.  Spc. Sean Kimmons / AP photo

Capt. Deron Haught, 37, congratulates winning Team Nawruz, as he shakes hand with Ahmed Jager, 14, an infielder, after the opening day game at Altun Kupri, Iraq, Wednesday.

Baseball has been very very good to us.


 

Fans unfurl a giant banner in honor of former Arizona Cardinals safety Pat Tillman during halftime of the New England Patriots vs. Arizona Cardinals football game Sunday at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe, Ariz. Tillman, who left the Cardinals to become an Army Ranger, was killed in Afghanistan earlier this year.

Salute!

 

University of Tulsa wide receiver Ashlan Davis, right, is tackled by Navy safety Jeremy McGown in the first half of their game at Tulsa, Okla., Saturday. The Midshipmen beat the Golden Hurricane, 29-0. James Gibbard, Tulsa World / AP photo

University of Tulsa wide receiver Ashlan Davis, right, is tackled by Navy safety Jeremy McGown in the first half of their game at Tulsa, Okla., Saturday. The Midshipmen beat the Golden Hurricane, 29-0.

Navy is a real powerhouse as they beat Northeastern (my alma mater) and now Tulsa.

 

The second of four crewmen from the tugboat Delta Ranger is airlifted in a basket by a Coast Guard helicopter Sunday in a raging current at Oregon Inlet, N.C. The tugboat became grounded after a larger dredge broke three of its six cable anchors. The stricken vessel was in danger of drifting into the Herbert C. Bonner Bridge, a major link between Hatteras Island and the northern Outer Banks of North Carolina.

Perhaps this image can help explain Tonkin's recent infrequent appearances in the Canteen, Hmmm?

 

Navy and Air Force members clean up debris Saturday at the George Washington Dormitory on Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla. Several dorms were damaged by Hurricane Ivan.  Kinfray Moroti, St. Petersburg Times / AP photo

Navy and Air Force members clean up debris Saturday at the George Washington Dormitory on Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla. Several dorms were damaged by Hurricane Ivan.

The new series Survivor: Pensacola, has begun taping and the contestants in this still here are still trying to make their first fire.

 

A propeller engine lies on the flight line of the National Museum of Naval Aviation at Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla., on Saturday. The engine was torn from a plane by Hurricane Ivan. The museum is home to old war planes, but none sustained major damage.  Kinfray Moroti, St. Petersburg Times / AP photo

A propeller engine lies on the flight line of the National Museum of Naval Aviation at Pensacola Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla., on Saturday. The engine was torn from a plane by Hurricane Ivan. The museum is home to old war planes, but none sustained major damage.

If having a propeller torn from a plane is not considered major damage, then perhaps that caption writer should go work at CBS.

I thought of you when I spotted this one TomKow6.

Tim Thibodeaux is perched precariously atop' Big Tex' as he prepares the 52-foot-tall talking cowboy figure for the opening of the State Fair of Texas in Dallas, Monday, Sept. 20, 2004. Big Tex made his debut in 1952 and began greeting fairgoers in 1953. The 2004 State Fair of Texas runs from Friday, Sept. 24 through Sunday, Oct. 17.

What is the "soup du jour" of the day?

203 posted on 09/21/2004 11:25:42 AM PDT by Radix (This Tag Line is real, but the contents are fake.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Have a good day today. *HUG*


204 posted on 09/21/2004 11:26:16 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her)
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To: tomkow6

MINE!.....#200!!


205 posted on 09/21/2004 11:27:19 AM PDT by Kathy in Alaska (God Bless America and Our Troops Who Protect Her)
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To: Kathy in Alaska; MoJo2001

lil MoJo was sitting on the radio in the kitchen today

he was listening to Rush!

It's just a small radio, about 10 square inches

he just fits on top of it! LOL


206 posted on 09/21/2004 11:32:29 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Radix


207 posted on 09/21/2004 11:35:35 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

Ride Captain Ride - Blues Image

208 posted on 09/21/2004 11:36:39 AM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

Gee, what could be easier than 4CJ? ;~>


209 posted on 09/21/2004 11:40:07 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("Being American means being free. That's why they're proud." Tony Blair 7/17/03)
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To: Kathy in Alaska
Hi Ma. It's about time you got here. I've been busy. It's been crazy here today.


210 posted on 09/21/2004 11:44:46 AM PDT by beachn4fun ("Being American means being free. That's why they're proud." Tony Blair 7/17/03)
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To: beachn4fun
Gee, what could be easier than 4CJ? ;~>

I'm glad you can't see my face ;o)

211 posted on 09/21/2004 11:52:59 AM PDT by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
LOL
MOJO RADIO listen now!!
Broadcast from Tonkin's Refuge for Way Ward Goats!




212 posted on 09/21/2004 12:02:59 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: beachn4fun


213 posted on 09/21/2004 12:04:18 PM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: MoJo2001; Kathy in Alaska

ping to #212


214 posted on 09/21/2004 12:06:08 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: bentfeather

How can I listen to "MOJO" radio???


215 posted on 09/21/2004 12:07:28 PM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: bentfeather

BRACE YOURSELF!

216 posted on 09/21/2004 12:12:05 PM PDT by USVet6792Retired (Keep up the Fire!!)
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To: tomkow6; MoJo2001; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Kathy in Alaska; All

MOJO Radio!!

Live for Coos Bay Oregon!!
Hit it MOJO!!

217 posted on 09/21/2004 12:14:37 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: USVet6792Retired

ROFLOL!!!


218 posted on 09/21/2004 12:16:23 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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Three Degrees - When Will I See You Again

219 posted on 09/21/2004 12:33:27 PM PDT by tomkow6 (This is my tag line, there are many like it, but this one is mine....Radix stole this tag line)
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To: tomkow6

Lovely song, Tom. Thanks.


220 posted on 09/21/2004 12:35:03 PM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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