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USAF Plans for Fighters Change
Aviation Week & Space Technology ^ | 09/19/2004 | David A. Fulghum and Robert Wall

Posted on 09/20/2004 1:23:10 PM PDT by GOP Jedi

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LockMart bump.

"laser armed versions"

I love the way that's casually thrown out. Dude, it's a jet fighter with friggin' lasers on its wings!

1 posted on 09/20/2004 1:23:12 PM PDT by GOP Jedi
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To: Pukin Dog

Hrm. Tactical lasers a la THEL? Ever hear of this?


2 posted on 09/20/2004 1:28:08 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: GOP Jedi

Very cool. USAF zot!


3 posted on 09/20/2004 1:28:29 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: GOP Jedi; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

4 posted on 09/20/2004 1:29:34 PM PDT by Aeronaut (To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.)
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To: GOP Jedi

5 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:29 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: GOP Jedi

"Lock S-Foils in attack position."


6 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:50 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: GOP Jedi
shedding more than a ton of weight and gaining thrust

Is this the dream of every woman for her man "fighter?"

7 posted on 09/20/2004 1:31:45 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GOP Jedi
"laser armed versions"

I sense a disturbance in The Force ....

8 posted on 09/20/2004 1:33:56 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: Shryke

"All I want are some frikken strike fighters with some frikken laser beams on their wings! Throw me a bone here!"


9 posted on 09/20/2004 1:35:20 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: GOP Jedi

Great. Now the USAF will have the same underpowered, underarmed, no-legs version as the USMC. They should take a close look at the Harrier before signing on to this one.


10 posted on 09/20/2004 1:37:15 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Frank_Discussion

Haha. Seriously, though, I wonder how easy it would be to aim and hit another craft with a fixed-mount laser?


11 posted on 09/20/2004 1:37:38 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: Poohbah

How well do you suppose it will do in strafing womp-rats?


12 posted on 09/20/2004 1:38:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: Shryke

Probably no harder that hitting with guns. Perhaps easier because they are essentially instantaneous and non-ballistic, so you don't have to lead the target. Devastating with enought power and the right frequencies of light.

**YOW. I'm gettin' all excited!**


13 posted on 09/20/2004 1:40:16 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: ArrogantBustard; hchutch

"MOS EISLEY: In other news, Captain Biggs Darklighter, USAF, crashed his F-35 in Beggar's Canyon today. Air Force authorities are investigating reports that he was trying to shoot womp-rats."


14 posted on 09/20/2004 1:41:01 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
They should take a close look at the Harrier

First thing you see and it doesn't take a close look is the extraordinary Harrier accident rate. Also, I believe they're long out of production.

15 posted on 09/20/2004 1:41:16 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SJSAMPLE

Nope. I'm on the losing team (Boeing), and I admire the platform itself.


16 posted on 09/20/2004 1:41:18 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: GOP Jedi

President Kerry will put a stop to all of this.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 1:42:34 PM PDT by IonInsights
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To: Shryke

From what I've read elsewhere, the laser would be a miniature, solid-state version of the Chemical Oxygen Infrared Laser (COIL) carried on the AL-1 Airborne Laser aircraft. The laser unit would be packaged in a "drop-in" turret that would take the place of the ducted lift fan located in the F-35 fuselage and would take power from the same drivetrain that powers the fan. My impression from conceptual art is that the laser turret would be steerable.


18 posted on 09/20/2004 1:44:28 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Frank_Discussion
The question is energy density - time on target will be a problem. If the laser beam is powerful enough, then a very brief illumination of the target by the laser will be enough to damage it. Otherwise, the beam will have to be held on target, and that will be non-trivial.
19 posted on 09/20/2004 1:45:49 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: GOP Jedi

Just so you all know, when it comes to these aggressive weight reduction campaigns, the proof is "in the pudding" as the saying goes. When faced with a bloated design, program managers scramble to pull the weight back into design margins. Typically, they stand up and ask all the engineers to "sharpen their pencils" and put together a list of potential solutions to hit their new target.

Many of these changes are already known about and require some form of concession or trade-off with the customer. Others are suddenly viable because cost targets are seemingly lowered to absorb impacts. Finally, many of the proposed changes are just SWAGs that many fine design engineers are challenged by and jump through hoops to try and achieve.

The bottom line is the old saying "you can't put 4 pound
of sh*t into a 3 pound bag" still applies. Trade-offs from the specification (as the design matures) proving what was possible over what was fiction is the name of the game.


20 posted on 09/20/2004 1:46:13 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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