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LockMart bump.

"laser armed versions"

I love the way that's casually thrown out. Dude, it's a jet fighter with friggin' lasers on its wings!

1 posted on 09/20/2004 1:23:12 PM PDT by GOP Jedi
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To: Pukin Dog

Hrm. Tactical lasers a la THEL? Ever hear of this?


2 posted on 09/20/2004 1:28:08 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: GOP Jedi

Very cool. USAF zot!


3 posted on 09/20/2004 1:28:29 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: GOP Jedi; Tijeras_Slim; FireTrack; Pukin Dog; citabria; B Knotts; kilowhskey; cyphergirl; ...

4 posted on 09/20/2004 1:29:34 PM PDT by Aeronaut (To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.)
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To: GOP Jedi

5 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:29 PM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: GOP Jedi

"Lock S-Foils in attack position."


6 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:50 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: GOP Jedi
shedding more than a ton of weight and gaining thrust

Is this the dream of every woman for her man "fighter?"

7 posted on 09/20/2004 1:31:45 PM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: GOP Jedi
"laser armed versions"

I sense a disturbance in The Force ....

8 posted on 09/20/2004 1:33:56 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: GOP Jedi

Great. Now the USAF will have the same underpowered, underarmed, no-legs version as the USMC. They should take a close look at the Harrier before signing on to this one.


10 posted on 09/20/2004 1:37:15 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GOP Jedi

President Kerry will put a stop to all of this.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 1:42:34 PM PDT by IonInsights
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To: GOP Jedi

Just so you all know, when it comes to these aggressive weight reduction campaigns, the proof is "in the pudding" as the saying goes. When faced with a bloated design, program managers scramble to pull the weight back into design margins. Typically, they stand up and ask all the engineers to "sharpen their pencils" and put together a list of potential solutions to hit their new target.

Many of these changes are already known about and require some form of concession or trade-off with the customer. Others are suddenly viable because cost targets are seemingly lowered to absorb impacts. Finally, many of the proposed changes are just SWAGs that many fine design engineers are challenged by and jump through hoops to try and achieve.

The bottom line is the old saying "you can't put 4 pound
of sh*t into a 3 pound bag" still applies. Trade-offs from the specification (as the design matures) proving what was possible over what was fiction is the name of the game.


20 posted on 09/20/2004 1:46:13 PM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: GOP Jedi

BTTT


21 posted on 09/20/2004 1:48:00 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: GOP Jedi

They're keeping the A-10s with upgrades. Good move, the AF needs something that goes low, slow and can survive battle damage.


22 posted on 09/20/2004 1:48:27 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: GOP Jedi

Has Kerry voted for this yet so he can vote against it.......


25 posted on 09/20/2004 1:49:57 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: GOP Jedi

bump


27 posted on 09/20/2004 1:53:52 PM PDT by VOA
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To: GOP Jedi

I smell wildly out of scope here.


28 posted on 09/20/2004 1:57:04 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Plain, simple soldier. Nothing more, nothing less.)
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To: GOP Jedi
JSF program officials said they have identified 2,700 lb. in weight or weight equivalent reductions for the Stovl aircraft using strategies that include:

* Reducing the distance between interior structural elements in the wing so the aircraft's exterior skin can be thinner.

Reducing structural integrity, increasing wing-flex under G, increasing FOD, bird and flak vulnerability

* Reducing the size of the weapons bays by 14 in. as well as the size of the vertical tails.

Decreasing roll authority at high-alpha, decreasing weapons payload

* Rounding the shape, the loft line, of the fuselage behind the cockpit to hold more fuel. That was one of several changes that decreased drag. and increased radar signature

* Redesigning the electrical system to decrease the battery size and the amount of wiring. resulting in more load on generator under hot start conditions, decreasing redundancy in harnesses, increasing overall vulnerability

* Redesigning the wing-mate joint. can only mean reducing available mass, which means reducing joint strength.

* Rerouting some thrust from the roll post outlets to the main engine thrust. resulting in small thrust increase at the expense of high temperature increase, resulting in higher IR signature and vulnerability to IR weapons.

None of this matters, the sucker is dead by April.

34 posted on 09/20/2004 2:30:28 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: GOP Jedi
"Some A-10s will probably be retired nonetheless, Hornburg says, but mainly because they are so near the end of their service life that upgrading them doesn't make sense."

Just like B-52's, huh?

41 posted on 09/20/2004 3:29:54 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: GOP Jedi
The problem with airborne high-energy lasers is that the power source is a b***h. If you want to put kW on target for any length of time. The farther out the target, the trades get worse. You either need more power or a bigger "final" mirror (adds weight). Probably the highest power-density would be an open-cycle chemical laser. Yikes.

I worked on those in the late 70's. In those days they were DF (deuterium-fluorine) and the fluorine scared me to death. Nasty stuff. Maybe they've made strides in excimer or other technologies...still, the ABL (Airborne Laser) is in a 747 or something of similar size. Can you imagine putting one in a fighter?

Unless there's been a breakthrough (I'm out of the laser world and no longer hold the requisite clearance) I don't see how with (what I imagine is) current technology.

--Boris

42 posted on 09/20/2004 3:34:48 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: GOP Jedi

Articles like this make me feel old. I went through AF Undergratuate Pilot Training (UPT) in 1978. At that time, the A-10, F-15, and F-16 were all new aircraft. Now.........they're old; beyond their "normal", serviceable life, it seems.

Maybe I need a rocking chair............


55 posted on 09/20/2004 7:57:09 PM PDT by RightOnline
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