REPORT: Swifties Have Previously Unseen Naval Records Supporting Their Charges Against Kerry

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[crushkerry]

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BREAKING NEWS - CRUSHKERRRY.COM HAS A SCOOP ON PREVIOUSLY UNSEEN KERRY NAVY DOCUMENTS. ACCORDING TO AN INSIDE SOURCE, THE SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH OBTAINED A NUMBER OF PREVIOUSLY UNSEEN NAVAL RECORDS YESTERDAY. THESE NEW DOCUMENTS VALIDATE A NUMBER OF THEIR CLAIMS AGAINST JOHN KERRY. NOTE THAT THESE NEW RECORDS ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE AFTER ACTION REPORTS RELEASED YESTERDAY AND POSTED BY DRUDGE. THESE BLOCKBUSTER DOCUMENTS ALL BUT ENSURE A CONTINUED ONSLAUGHT FROM THE SWIFTEES FOR THE DURATION OF THE CAMPAIGN. LOOK FOR THE NEW INFORMATION TO BE DISCLOSED IN UPCOMING SWIFT BOAT ADS

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[marty60]

My prayer is for a DD214 stating: DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE. Please Please let it be this.

[Law is not justice but process]

" Suppose these docs are forgeries to damage the Swifties case."

I have been puzzled for some time about the motivation for releasing and publicizing the blatantly forged CBS memos. With all due respect to us, we are not exactly professionals and we spotted the forgeries in a "New York Minute!" Why?

I think I know now. The Kerristas knew the Swifties' October Surprise was coming and that it would be based upon documents from the late 1960's and early 1970's. Further, they knew, as I suspect, that these documents would have questionable provenance (they would have to since Kerry never signed the "Form 180 [?]"). Now we have spent a week trashing the CBS documents and generally raising doubts about any "mystery document" from that time frame. I think the Kerristas planned to turn our arguments against us. They needed a media proponent from the documents who could afford to loose some credibility - to take one for the team, as it were. Who better than a superannuated news anchor who is on the eve of retirement and wants nothing more than to announce the defeat of W before riding off into the sunset? Rather has to stick by these documents just to keep us talking about them and to keep the story in the press, raising continuing concerns about old documents.

By the way, is my tinfoil hat on straight?

It gets worse: I think whoever forged these documents figured they had to be plausible (hence the information gleaned from the already released Bush documents) but also had to be hokey enough to raise our suspicions right away. I think they figured on uproar for a bit then the authentication of the documents would fall rapidly apart as the provenance, content, and timing came into question. I do not think they figured on the whole font/kerning/MS Word line of attack.

Because the documents were proved forgeries by these font-related issues, I think the Kerristas may yet be hoist on their own collective petard. If the Swifties' documents look genuine and have genuine signatures, they will now be much more difficult to attack. If you can show the typeface, formatting, etc. are time-frame appropriate, the provenance will be less of an issue. This is the first hypothesis on motivation for the CBS documents that would explain the poor quality of the documents and the timing (immediately pre-October Surprise).

This is so good I may need a larger tinfoil hat!

[bandleader]

No matter how DEVASTATING,The Bush Haters will still vote for him!!!

[jdege]

The question in my mind isn't what is in the new documents, but whether the conflicts between these documents and what Kerry has released will force Kerry to sign the SF180.

Kerry can claim they are forgeries. Others can claim that the docs that Kerry has released are forgeries.

But there is an easy way to resolve the conflict - sign the SF180!

[Spok]

Check the fonts. Twice.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Kerry can claim they are forgeries

If these are copies of offical Navy documents, we will know. There will be stamps and other identifying marks all over it.

Kerry would be charging O'Neill with a Federal Crime. He better have the goods to back it up. "Based on what, Senator?"

[Area51]

Because the documents were proved forgeries by these font-related issues, I think the Kerristas may yet be hoist on their own collective petard. If the Swifties' documents look genuine and have genuine signatures, they will now be much more difficult to attack. If you can show the typeface, formatting, etc. are time-frame appropriate, the provenance will be less of an issue. This is the first hypothesis on motivation for the CBS documents that would explain the poor quality of the documents and the timing (immediately pre-October Surprise).

This is so good I may need a larger tinfoil hat!

162 posted on 09/14/2004 9:00:50 AM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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Any documentation the SBV for Truth use will be a copy of Government forms that can be readily verified by getting another thru the FOIA. They won't play the "we won't provide the origial nor the source" crap. Remember these guys are HEROS they don't fight from sniper towers. The do it honorably, out in plain sight. That is why the MSM is eating crap over it.

Kerry is done, he is staying out of the line of fire for fear the more he pisses them off the larger the barrage they will target him with.

I personally think it is VVAW actions that will bring on the Checkers speech! :)

[Area51]

I personally want to see the MSM put a Microphone in front of Schumer< Kennedy, KKK Byrd, Boxer or Fienstine and ask them what they think about Kerry's involvement in discussions of killing Sitting US Senators back in the 70's.

Ask them if HE was the type of Individuals they are trying to keep weapons away from?

Then cut to a video of Kerry with that Assault Shotgun he was given a week ago.

[Stultis]

would Rather this hits out of the blue. Why are folks telegraphing the next move to the Kerry campaign?

Normally I would agree, however both Kerry and his staff have a proven record of oblivion and strategic blundering on this issue. Consider that O'Neil publicly announced at least as early as March (in an interview preceding C-SPAN's first re-airing of the '71 Dick Cavett Show debate) that the Swift Vets were organizing against Kerry, yet the Kerry campaign was obviously unprepared for their onslaught 4 to 5 MONTHS later.

There's no reason to believe that the Kerry campaign will be any more deft in the future, no matter what is "telegraphed".

I suspect that what is going on is that Kerry is still lying to his own staff about his service in Vietnam, and most of his underlings either accept his claims -- and are therefore unprepared and equipped to deal with the truth when it emerges -- or are unwilling to challenge Kerry and force him to retreat from his Walter Mittyesque fantasies -- which means they cannot question him about the facts, and are again thereby unprepared for the truth.

[stand watie]

!!!!!!!!!!!

[douglas1]

YOU are very probably right, on I was thinking the same thing.

[bobsunshine]

Unfit for Command is a great book. Another great book is Reckless Disregard - How Liberal Democrats Undercut Our Military.

[jdege]

If these are copies of offical Navy documents, we will know. There will be stamps and other identifying marks all over it.

That just means they'd have to be more competent forgeries to pass the smell test.

[snooker]

I think your conclusions about how the documents were constructed is probably true. The forger had to dovetail the new information with the old.

But ... Hate clouds your judgment. Dan's judgment is shot and his partisan side has taken over. He has given speeches at dim fundraisers.

Sprinkle in a little arrogance and viola, ka-boom. Dan thought enough of his own abilities, he has pulled off the lies before, so full speed ahead.

One thing that comes to mind is the way cBS and Dan Rather lied about the AW ban. Showing full auto firearms being shot and telling people these dangerous guns were being banned. Total lies, but he sold it to a lot of the public.

Time changes technology faster than people can keep up. Dan has lost the race. Message to MSM, we won't be fooled anymore, so keep your lies in the back rooms.

[bobsunshine]

Also heard that Sean Hannity was reviewing a tape of Kerry in Vietnam showing him burning down a village (as he reported to Meet The Press in 1971 I think).

[gimme1ibertee]

All right! Thanks for this!

[Tempest]

I hope these new documents aren't a product of MS Word.

[xkaydet65]

Dems are devious enough to do that, but they are nowhere near BRIGHT enough!!!

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Except the FBI would be on it like flies on shit. And it would not take very long to confirm or deny. An arrest or annoucement of no charges filed.

[gimme1ibertee]

Agreed. The Swifties have got to maintain their crediblilty.
However, they've been straight & narrow right down the line, and from what I understand O'Neill is one shrewd lawyer.I can't imagine them being dumb enough to just grab the first juicy document that comes their way & fan it around like a trophy. They're smarter than that.I'm sure they've researched this very carefully. They know they have to,when it comes to dealing with rats.