[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

BTTT

[martin_fierro]

I tuned in to The McLaughlin Group last night and was dismayed to see how much that show has deteriorated.

The only discussion that McLaughlin gave to the forgery topic -- forcefully raised by Tony Blankley -- was to pooh-pooh it.

The old man is slipping.

[Lexington Green]

Edward R. Murrow is still dead.

[Mr. Mojo]

(It now appears that CBS News may well have received the documents from a partisan and highly questionable source.)

McAuliffe? If so, "highly questionable" is the understatement of the year.

[stuartcr]

Isn't the conservative media biased and partisan in their own way also?

[Cboldt]

... the "mainstream media" is becoming more openly partisan.

I am a huge advocate of open partisanship. That forces each individual consumer of inforation to hink for himself, and/or carry on reasoned dialogue and analysis with friends and neighbors. That will make for a stronger society, because it will have more independent individuals.

[Cboldt]

Up to now, the media's liberalism was most unambiguously evident on social issues. Political coverage was the one place where real efforts at balance were made.

Pure, unadulterated BS there, Howie. Political coverage is, and has been for ages, the MOST biased, not the least.

[claudiustg]

--- If CBS were to admit that the documents were forgeries, it would have no grounds for protecting its sources. In fact, CBS would have a positive obligation to do everything in its power to expose the malefactors behind the forgeries. ---

CBS, the DNC, and the Kerry campaign are involved in a criminal conspiracy to illegally influence a federal election.

[rightazrain]

After reading this analysis, it seems the only way to fight back is to go after the sponsors.

Follow the money and kick 'em in the butt.

Anyone got a list of Rather-Not's sponsors?

[Diamond]

"But the truth is, we ceased to take the word of Dan Rather or CBS a long time ago."

Yep.

"What's more, CBS knows this. And that is why they're sticking with their story."

Yep. The left has never really had any compunction against lying to advance their 'cause'.

Cordially,

[The_Republican]

This article would be more effective if it wasn't this wordy and emotional.

[Malesherbes]

If I read Bernard Goldberg correctly he thinks Rather and CBS live in a bubble of liberal delusion and really consider themselves to be unbiased. This article - with which I agree - suggests that they know very well that they are shilling for the left.

[johnny7]

About sums it up. Good read.

He's dead-on-balls about the 'division' in American politics. The Democrats are now 'progressive-socialists' and Republicans are are 'moderate-capitalists'... oil and water... night and day... wrong and right.

One cannot thrive while the other exists... they are poison to each other.

What's the answer? I think I know... it's called civil war.

[KC_Conspirator]

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[KC_Conspirator]

Why did Dan Rather and CBS News, against all expectations, impeach their own credibility to defend the authenticity of memos that are almost certainly forgeries? The obvious answer is that they did it to save the faltering Kerry campaign from a final and decisive blow. If CBS were to admit that the documents were forgeries, it would have no grounds for protecting its sources. In fact, CBS would have a positive obligation to do everything in its power to expose the malefactors behind the forgeries. If the trail led back to the Kerry campaign, president Bush's reelection would be assured.

This is why I believe that this is a big deal. What did Kerry know and when did he know it? What did Dan know and when did he know it? Its a "third-rate forgery"...

[Smokin' Joe]

Hmmmmmm. I'm afraid this makes sense, both demographically and otherwise.

No, CBS is less likely to admit any wrongdoing than Bill was likely to settle on a definition of 'is'.

But this is not about CBS. This is about lies and deception. This is about holding the liars' feet to the fire and getting the story out about the lies.

Face it, those of us who own guns have been suffering the unmitigated bias of the MSM for decades now; we do not expect a leopard to change its spots.

Among the Dems' true believers and the 'anyone but Bush' crowd, the lies do not matter. They will see the ends of electing John Kerry as justifying any means.

However, (and I firmly believe the clock is ticking on this), there remains an opportunity to glean the disgusted from the ranks of MSM viewers before the cradle-to-grave indoctrination forms the culture rifts as insurmountable as those between Montague and Capulet.

Those among us who have debunked this have done outstanding work, but this is just the beginning, a veritable 'Battle of Trenton' in the culture war which promises to be long, and fought against an increasingly sophisticated and unabashedly biased enemy.

The element of surprise is no longer with us. The gloves are off. Now the real fight begins.

[Cacique]

Although there is a major and ever growing alternative media composed of talk radio, opinion journals, Internet news sites, blogs, and Fox News, the "mainstream media" still dominates. In terms of sheer numbers, the network newscasts still out-pull cable news channels by considerable margins. And Internet sites and blogs still attract a relatively small (if growing and disproportionately influential) audience. Because of its prestige — and because it's just plain bigger — the mainstream media is, well, "mainstream," while the rest are just "alternative."

It is important to remember that. I have always contended that the only way to counter then mainstream media is to take over the companies that own it via investment. Instead we have opted for a strategy of setting up alternate sources of information that still do not reach a majority of the population who are still misinformed as a result of the relentless propaganda. It's a wonder that we do not live under a Stalinist regime as a result of it.

[F16Fighter]

We conservatives can talk all we want about CBS putting its credibility at risk. But the truth is, we ceased to take the word of Dan Rather or CBS a long time ago.

True, but the warped and bogus "news" perpetrated by CBS has at this juncture has become a liability and bonafide threat to the security of the United States of America.

Moreover, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN all need to preface their "news" with a disclaimer stating that their anchors may be airing editorials.

[LS]

This is a brilliant piece, though he isn't as alone as he thinks in perceiving these trends---they are the basis for a book I'ves sent to my agent called "First, the Bad News." But this represents a 360-degree circle back to where "news" was in the Jacksonian period, namely where EVERY publication was "biased" and people knew it and treated the contents accordingly. Papers carried the name "Arkansas Democrat" or "Columbus Republican."

What is more interesting to me is WHY the media shifted so sharply to the left in the 1960s from the (pretty much) objective press of the 1870-1860 period. (You can always find exceptions, i.e., the "Yellow Press") It's a long (and not completely satisfying explanation for these sentences:

"First came the of the movements of the 60s. Then the media was captured by the Left."

If you look at the shift, this occured BEFORE Watergate and even before the Vietnam War became unpopular. So something big was happening in the early 1960s.

[Bob J]

One thing this report needed emphasizing...the MMM may in fact attract most of the lefties in this country, but due to their sheer size, they also are the number one news source for moderates and independents.