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Here We Go Some More
The American Spectator ^ | 09-13-2004 | Washington Prowler

Posted on 09/12/2004 9:28:38 PM PDT by nyconse

While CBS news anchor Dan Rather can say there is no internal investigation under way over the alleged forged documents used as the foundation for an investigation into President George W. Bush's National Guard service, you wouldn't have been able to tell from the 15 or so 60 Minutes and CBS News" staffers working away feverishly on Friday and Saturday to try to nail down their story.

On Friday, according to CBS News sources, Rather spent the day on the phone and dealing with CBS suits who were nervous about the fall out from the story. "All Dan could say was that this was an attack from the right-wing nuts, and that we should have expected this, given the stakes," says a CBS News producer. "He was terribly defensive and nervous. You could tell."

All day Friday, Rather, his producer on the story, Mary Mapes, and other 60 Minutes staffers were scrambling to shore up support from their sources on the story. That effort didn't go so well. By Saturday, one of their key sources, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges, had said that CBS misled him, and that he had never been shown the memos in question.

"We pulled the trick of only calling some sources at the last minute to reconfirm," says the CBS producer. "Someone called Hodges, I think, on Monday night and read him parts of the document. The late contacts are a standard practice so we don't tip off the competition or our sources."

Hodges is a critical loss for CBS News' credibility. He was the superior officer of the man CBS claims wrote the memo, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.

MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. "We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer. "There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

One individual several news outlets were looking at was Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guard officer. Burkett in the past has cooperated with both press and Democratic Party opposition researchers in slinging mud at President Bush. Burkett gained some national attention earlier in the campaign when he claimed he was at National Guard headquarters in Austin 1997, when he overheard Guard officials and a representative of then Governor Bush discuss how to sanitize Bush's files. That story was fully discredited. Nonetheless, Burkett sat down for at least three different interviews with CBS News for the story now at the center of the controversy. One of those interviews was with Rather's producer, Ms. Mapes.

"There are rumors here that if there are any real documents, they are hand-written notes from Killian that someone like Burkett was holding, and that instead of using the hand-written notes, someone typed them up to look more official," says the CBS News producer. "They would look better on TV and posted on line if they were typed, but on a number of levels, that story just doesn't hold up. There are too many inconsistencies factually with what is in the memos."

THE MOST GLARING ISSUES now are the seemingly phony P.O. Box addresses used in the headers of at least one of the memorandums. Such post office box addresses were not used by the National Guard at that time, let alone a box with a number "34567," as in the memo.

Yet another issue: the 18-month gap between the retirement of Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt on March 1, 1972, and August 18, 1973, when the Killian of the disputed memos claimed that Staudt was putting pressure on him to sugarcoat an evaluation of Bush. Almost everyone involved in the National Guard in Texas says Staudt would have had virtually no influence in the active units nearly a year and a half after leaving the service.

PERHAPS MOST TROUBLING to the CBS News staff looking into how its story went off the rails is the timing of the memos' appearance. "Some 60 Minutes staffers have been working on this story for more than three years off and on," says the CBS News producer. "There have been rumors about these memos and what was in them for at least that long. No one had been able to find anything. Not a single piece of paper. But we know that a lot of people here interviewed a lot of people in Texas and elsewhere and asked very explicit questions about the existence of these memos. Then all of a sudden they show up? In one nice, neat package?"

This CBS New producer went on to explain that the questions 60 Minutes folk were asking were specific enough that people would have been able to fabricate the memorandums to meet the exact specifications the investigative journalists were looking for. "People were asking questions of sources like, 'Have you ever seen or heard of a memo that suspended Bush for failing to appear for a physical?' and 'Have you heard about or know of someone who has any documentation from back in the 1970s that shows there was pressure to get Bush into the National Guard?' It was like they were placing an order for a ready-made product. That is the biggest problem I have with this. It's all too neat and perfect for what we needed. Without these exact pieces of paper, we don't have a story. Dan has as much as admitted that. Everyone knows it. We were at a standstill on this story until these memos showed up."

REPORTERS ARE ALSO LOOKING at staff and associates of Sen. Tom Harkin, who enthusiastically held a press conference on Thursday morning using the forged documents as the tent pole for attacks against President Bush. Harkin called Bush a "liar."

"Harkin has been pushing this story for a while," says the CBS producer. "Not this specific story, but the 'Bush is a liar about his record' story. His people seemed particularly interested in making sure they could keep their boss up to date on what was going on."

That Harkin was the individual selected to be the attack dog on this particular issue was an interesting one, give that Harkin himself has a checkered history about telling the truth about his involvement in the Vietnam War.

WITH MORALE AT WHAT some Kerry campaign insiders consider an all-time low, Sen. John Kerry, who unlike Tom Harkin did serve in Vietnam, did what any true leader does. He sets up a conference call. During the Labor Day weekend, during meetings with senior staff, campaign director Mary Beth Cahill suggested to the candidate that he try to buck up the troops, since the media onslaught against him, as well as the dipping poll numbers, were affecting staff in Washington and in satellite offices around the country. Kerry acknowledged their concerns by gathering the Washington staff into the central office space in their McPherson Square suites and speaking to them via speaker phone. Kerry told them that things were going well on the road. The crowds were enthusiastic, and he could feel the campaign was moving in the right direction with the new senior staff additions.

"He actually said that he felt the campaign had turned the corner," says a Washington-based staffer. "Some of us couldn't help but laugh given that he's made fun of Bush for saying the same thing. You hear stuff like that and you just feel sick. You look over at people like [Joe] Lockhart and Cahill and they seem to understand it too."

Kerry further undercut his own efforts, when he hung up his side of the call before any questions could be asked by staff members.

"[Kerry] doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that he has problems," says the staffer. "I'm low level, but there are a few people here who have stopped coming in to work or to volunteer. We've got some issues, and the guy who should be trying to help fix it doesn't seem to care."

Cahill seems to understand this. On Thursday, since the candidate wouldn't face his own staff, Cahill pulled out the big guns. She invited her old boss, Sen. Ted Kennedy down to the Washington offices to further raise the morale of Kerry's staff.

Kennedy actually said little about Kerry, beyond the fact that he was a fighter who would continue fighting. After mentioning Kerry, Kennedy then went on a 10-minute diatribe about President Bush. "His face was turning red, he was really getting into it," says the Kerry staffer. "Then the next day we saw him make the same speech on the floor of the Senate. Guess we were the dress rehearsal."

THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS with the Kerry campaign. According to several Kerry and DNC sources, Kerry advisers have been furiously holding focus group meetings in an attempt to find some issue of national concern that might cut their way in the coming weeks. But nothing they've looked at seems to be working. Of course, even if they were to find something there is no guarantee their man would run with it.

For example, some media types thought having his old pal John Sasso along on the road would help focus Kerry a bit more on his stump speeches. Judging by Kerry's performance last Thursday in North Carolina, they're not sure anymore. While talking about the economy, health-care policy, Kerry went off speech and began stumbling immediately. Kerry said that he would always tell the public the truth, and if the audience didn't believe him, they could "[g]o to a web site. It can be johnkerry.com or go some other place. Go to truth.com, if there is one, and find out what's really happening," Kerry said.

I just know this is going to go back to the DNC or some Dem partisan like Harkins-Dem=liars. Someone knew what CBS wanted and like a good samaritan supplied...the fake memos.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; killian; memo; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; presbush; rather
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To: nyconse
"We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

Uh huh. I'll tell you how it is possible: Beebers get stuned, and all your beebers are belong to us.

21 posted on 09/12/2004 9:48:37 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: alancarp
"we aren't going to be getting the originals"... also means that they know who gave them the original COPIES and it isn't as nebulous as indicated in he initial part of the statement. Also, the article seems to drift to the DNC. If O were a betting man, the COPIES came from the DNC, CBS and RATHER KNOW they were HOSED; they will not divulge their source BUT THEY WILL ATTACK THE SOURCE REAL HARD... at least the individual. GUARANTEED: They will not attack the DNC as they should as they are afraid of the DNC and have too much invested in (or too many investors in CBS) to turn on the Limousine Liberals.

Wish I were a fly on the wall or could just watch who goes in and out of CBS next week. At least as far as who the "runners" represent.
22 posted on 09/12/2004 9:48:45 PM PDT by Henchman (Demand an inquiry by the media into Kerry's dealing with the VC in PARIS!)
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To: Cboldt; Shermy
<< PERHAPS MOST TROUBLING to the CBS News staff looking into how its story went off the rails is the timing of the memos' appearance. "Some 60 Minutes staffers have been working on this story for more than three years off and on," says the CBS News producer. "There have been rumors about these memos and what was in them for at least that long. No one had been able to find anything. Not a single piece of paper. But we know that a lot of people here interviewed a lot of people in Texas and elsewhere and asked very explicit questions about the existence of these memos. Then all of a sudden they show up? In one nice, neat package?" >>

CBoldt, this is very like what you have been saying on other threads.

23 posted on 09/12/2004 9:49:18 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: alancarp
Dan went with the 'buzz cut' to boost ratings, all he has to do is grow a mustache and all this will blow over. Right?

Keep shooting yourself in the foot, Danny.

24 posted on 09/12/2004 9:49:23 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Truthsearcher
With the caveat and we must keep up the pressure.

Absolutely. 24/7.

25 posted on 09/12/2004 9:49:45 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Kerry, the media, the Dems....they are so arrogant. This whole fiasco shows the contempt these people have for the American people...they think we are absolute idiots and that they can manipulate us-disgusting.


26 posted on 09/12/2004 9:49:47 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: Carling

I'm not focused on the legitimate part, I just think we're giving the left AHA! issues to seize on that are unnecessary. I'm trying to force THEM to focus on the real issues.


27 posted on 09/12/2004 9:50:54 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Harkin was the first one out of the gate with this story, demanding that Bush tell the truth! The first.


28 posted on 09/12/2004 9:51:17 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: nyconse; Howlin
<< Yeah, I don't believe for one minute there are any real handwritten notes.. What do you think? >>

Handwritten by whom?

I'd wager that somebody is writing them by hand right now!!!

29 posted on 09/12/2004 9:51:36 PM PDT by Khan Noonian Singh
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To: Henchman

I'm starting to suspect the Democrats are running a COM-SYMP for President, but that's just me.

Look, there's Tom Harkin and Kerry with their Sandinista buddy Ortega.

What were they doing meeting with that communist SOB anyway?.

They sure look HAPPY to see him!.

30 posted on 09/12/2004 9:51:42 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: alancarp

This is reminding me of the O.J. Simpson trial. What CBS may have been doing was "securing the evidence" in the way some believe the infamous "glove" was planted because the cops just "knew" he was guilty, CBS just faked the memos because they just "know" but can't prove it.


31 posted on 09/12/2004 9:51:48 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: Sir Gawain; commish; Howlin; mabelkitty; Travis McGee
"* During which foray I also noted that this copy of Bush's suspension from flight status (page 10) appears to be the source of the forger's reference to AFM 35-13. But, as the Clown Posse discovered AFM 35-13 is the manual prescribing the consequences of not taking the physical. The requirement to take the physical is in AFM 160-1 (which uses the term "medical examination", not "physical examination", another error). The latter authority is what LtCol Killian would have referenced in any "In Accordance With" statement "ordering" Bush to take said physical. "

The phrase "physical examination" instead of "Medical" was a dead giveaway. I posted that very thing here on FR on Buckhead and Howlin's 1st or 2nd thread on these forged docs back on Wednesday...still kudos to the blogger who found AFM 35-13 and 160-1 to confirm that and other mistakes in the forged documents.

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again!

32 posted on 09/12/2004 9:52:06 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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7. Three words: Kerning, Kerning, Kerning!

Kerning is tuned off by default in Word. Yes, the person who faked these memos in Word could have had it turned on, but its off by default.
33 posted on 09/12/2004 9:52:06 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: nyconse

This is a great article...but it comes from a conservative source, not that there is anything wrong with that. My rhetorical question is where is the rest of the MSM media? Why are they silent on this? Are they willing to go down with CBS as accessories to the deceit or will they use the power of the 4th estate to investigate one of their own?...the silence, the silence is deafening.


34 posted on 09/12/2004 9:52:23 PM PDT by Drango (What's the Font, Kenneth?)
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To: alancarp

This is pretty much an admission that CBS knows the memos are phoney.


35 posted on 09/12/2004 9:52:48 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: nyconse

36 posted on 09/12/2004 9:53:02 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: Hank All-American

I called my local CBS and told them something had to be done...or I'm calling Dish and asking to have CBS blocked. I refuse to have a channel which attempts to smear a sitting President with lies coming into my home. The local station rep (nice lady) said we are looking into this and we have been deluged by calls.


37 posted on 09/12/2004 9:53:14 PM PDT by nyconse
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To: nyconse
MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. "We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer.

They don't even know where they got the Bleeping Documents from???

HELLO!!!

Hey Dan .. Your Career is OVER!!

38 posted on 09/12/2004 9:54:13 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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To: nyconse
"We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer

I can imagine. And since originals do not exist, you won't be getting those either.

39 posted on 09/12/2004 9:54:24 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: nyconse; Howlin

> I don't believe for one minute there are any real
> handwritten notes.. What do you think?

That would only address the typography issues.

The content, grammar, abbrevations, dates, addresses,
etc. would still be entirely bogus.

And if CBS is saying that they don't think there are
any handwritten memos, that means they know that the
present documents are modern forgeries.


40 posted on 09/12/2004 9:54:56 PM PDT by Boundless
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