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** CBS Bombshell - PROOF of foregery OR authenticity IS POSSIBLE - NG-FOIA REQUEST COMING
9-11 Commemoration | September 11, 2004 | Me

Posted on 09/11/2004 12:21:04 PM PDT by woodb01



September 11, 2004


FOIA Recipient;


            It has come to my attention that the CBS 60 Minutes program, with Dan Rather, has aired documents purportedly from a military Colonel, with the apparent intent to malign the current Commander in Chief, George W. Bush.  These documents also appear to impugn the character of Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt (Retired, 1972).


            Dan Rather and CBS News have “produced” supposed memoranda, which are the subject of great controversy, from Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian (deceased, 1984).  The controversy stems from the fact that these memoranda, in all respects, appear to be forgeries where Dan Rather of CBS 60 Minutes on behalf of himself, and on behalf of CBS, is vouching for their authenticity after having the validity of the documents called into question.  By adhering to the document’s purported authenticity, while there are easily verifiable problems with the documents in question, both Dan Rather and CBS News have now accepted full responsibility and liability for the authenticity of these memos.


            There is a very simple way to resolve this conclusively, with copies of ANY memoranda, duty reports, or Officer Effectiveness Reports.  These documents, from before, during, and after the dates in question will conclusively demonstrate the following related to the late Lt. Col. Killian:


ü       Style of writing

ü       Use of military notations and abbreviations

ü       Signature block usage

ü       Typeface of the typewriters that were used by Lt. Col. Killian during that period


            It is widely accepted that the documents produced by CBS are forgeries, this additional documentation would be able to provide conclusive proof so that the next steps of pursuing potential criminal actions against both CBS News and Dan Rather may begin:


18 U.S.C. 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

18 U.S.C. 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer

18 U.S.C. 494 - Contractors' bonds, bids, and public records

18 U.S.C. 506 - - Seals of departments or agencies (may include military signatures and branch)

18 U.S.C. 1001. - Statements or entries generally


            In closing, it is a routine tactic for those on the left to attack and undermine our US Military and those individuals who have served our country.  I will not tolerate this and will not stand by idly while those at CBS News attempt to use a deceased Lt. Col.’s name, for their own personal political agenda, to impugn our current Commander in Chief with what appears to be falsified documentation.


            Please consider this a plea to make this request the highest priority, and of the utmost urgency so that this entire matter may be resolved in a very public fashion.  I realize that there is much going on in the military right now, but the nature of this matter is of the utmost urgency.


Thank you for your consideration,


Bill Wood


cc:        Viacom - Sumner Redstone - (212) 258-6311

            CBS News President - Andrew Heyward - (212) 975-1893

CBS News Room - (212) 975-1998

Fax Verification – (208)988-2208





TO:       Chief, National Guard Bureau
            Attn: NGB-JA (FOIA)
            1411 Jefferson Davis Highway
            Arlington, VA 22202-3231
            (703) 607-3195



FROM: Bill Wood  [Contact info redacted]




1.       This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 USC 552.


2.       I understand the penalties provided in 5 USC 552a(i)(3) for requesting, or obtaining access to records, or information, under false pretenses.


3.       If some of this request is exempt from release, please send me those portions reasonably separable or redacted to remove any sensitive or privileged information.


4.       This document constitutes my firm promise to pay fees and costs for duplicating the requested records.  Enclosed you shall find a money order in the amount of $100 to cover reasonable copying and clerical fees pursuant to 32 CFR 286.  Please contact me for additional requirements fees if this is not sufficient before continuing.


5.       This request is for copies of the following records:

Any memoranda, duty reports, or Officer Effectiveness Reports, personally signed by Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, from the following date ranges:

ü       One (1) or Two (2) documents of any of the above from January 1972 until May 19, 1972.

ü       One (1) or Two (2) documents of any of the above from May 19, 1972 until August 1, 1972.

ü       One (1) or Two (2) documents of any of the above from August 1, 1972 until August 18, 1973

(those closer to August 18, 1973 would be the most beneficial).

ü       One (1) or Two (2) documents of any of the above from August 18, 1973 until September 5, 1973.




6.       Please see the accompanying transmittal letter for many of the reasons for this request.  Also, the following summary is offered:

CBS 60 Minutes program, with Dan Rather, promoted a handful of questionable memos, by a now deceased military officer, which “suddenly appeared” after several years of rehashing this same National Guard incident with the current Commander in Chief, George W. Bush.  Meanwhile, hundreds of  living Swiftvets who've signed affidavits and are prepared to testify on camera were ignored.  This tends to increase the likelihood that CBS, Dan Rather, and 60 Minutes may have knowingly been promoting forgeries. 

The documents which form the basis of this request will conclusively demonstrate whether or not the CBS documents which Dan Rather has personally endorsed, and stands behind as a representative of CBS, are in fact forgeries and frauds.  These documents may further serve to demonstrate whether CBS, and in particular Dan Rather, were negligent in not performing even minimal due diligence in verifying and authenticating these documents against existing documentary records.  This would be the proper, non-negligent measure of preparation before disseminating documentation which casts a dark shadow on the military careers of Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt (Retired, 1972), Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian (deceased, 1984), and the current Commander in Chief, George W. Bush.  Further, it is assumed this is the proper level of “vetting” the documents before promoting them on the Nationally televised news program, 60 Minutes.

See the attached exhibit as a detailed account of the incident which has given rise to this request.  This attachment is what has caused tremendous suspicion about the authenticity of the documents which Dan Rather and CBS still adhere to as “authentic”.

7.       Please respond within Fourteen (14) business days of this request with the documents, or simply contact me to discuss any progress or additional time needs.


** NOTE:   The underlined words represent Internet / HTML hyperlinks to the original supporting documentation.

Enumerating All CBS's Memogate Problems ^

Posted on 09/10/2004 10:08:54 PM PDT by

September 10, 2004

Dan Rather's defense of himself tonight, while probably impressive to shallow observers was far from convincing. Here's a list of things he ignored, did not properly address, or concealed from viewers. Feel free to send us your suggestions to this live fisking. For the transcript, click here.

Sourcing problems

  1. The 72-year-old anchor conveniently did not mention the fact that James Moore, one of his key validative sources, is a left-wing activist and author who has written two anti-Bush books, Bush's Brain, and Bush's War for Reelection. Rather referred to him as "author Jim Moore has written two books on the subject."
  2. Not coincidentally, Rather also did not mention that one of its main validators, retired Maj. General Bobby Hodges is accusing 60 Minutes staff of lying to him in order to get him to say the supposed Killian memos were authentic. ABC News has the story:
          "Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Guard, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were 'handwritten' and after CBS read him excerpts he said, 'well if he wrote them that's what he felt.'
          "Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been 'computer-generated' and are a 'fraud.'"

      The Washington Post reported earlier today that CBS considered Hodges its "trump card":

      "A senior CBS official, who asked not to be named because CBS managers did not want to go beyond their official statement, named one of the network's sources as retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, the immediate superior of the documents' alleged author, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. He said a CBS reporter read the documents to Hodges over the phone and Hodges replied that "these are the things that Killian had expressed to me at the time." 

      "These documents represent what Killian not only was putting in memoranda, but was telling other people," the CBS News official said. "Journalistically, we've gone several extra miles."


      The official said the network regarded Hodges's comments as "the trump card" on the question of authenticity, as he is a Republican who acknowledged that he did not want to hurt Bush. Hodges, who declined to grant an on-camera interview to CBS, did not respond to messages left on his home answering machine in Texas.

      Looks like jokers are no longer wild.

  1. He deliberately ignored statements from Col. Killian's wife and son who said that he hated using typewriters, hardly ever kept notes, and very much liked George W. Bush. In today's Washington Post, CBS conceded that it had not asked his wife to authenticate the letters it claims were written by her husband. Both Killian's widow and son say that the alleged memos are not characteristic of his style and do not believe they are all authentic.
  2. Rather did not mention that Ben Barnes, the Democratic lobbyist who is now saying he helped young Bush into the Texas Air National Guard (TANG), has changed his story according to his Republican daughter, Amy. She says that Barnes is making his Bush claims in preparation for his upcoming autobiography and to build up his political profile in the hopes of getting hired by a Kerry administration, all of which he allegedly told her.
  3. Also left out by Rather was the fact that one of the CBS documents dated in 1973 refers to pressure that then-Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, had supposedly been applying on Killian to make things easier for Bush. Unfortunately for CBS's case, however, Staudt had retired in 1973.
  4. CBS's own paid signature expert (the network featured no typographers or typewriter experts tonight or in Wednesday's report), Marcel Matley, directly undermined CBS's case several years earlier in an essay for the American Law Institute:

      "Do not passively accept a copy as the sole basis of a case. Every copy, intentionally or unintentionally, is in some way false to the original. In fact, modern copiers and computer printers are so good that they permit easy fabrication of quality forgeries."
      In his defense tonight, Rather admitted that "the documents CBS started with were also photocopies."

  1. The original 60 Minutes report as well as Friday's rebuttal did not feature a single person person who was quoted as coming to Bush's defense who was not on his staff, despite the fact that it is not hard at all to find people who say they served with Bush during the period in which he is accused of being AWOL. The only person that CBS did put on camera hardly provided much support for the documents' authenticity. Rather quoted him as follows (read the rest here.

"Well, they are compatible with the way business was done at that time. They are compatible with the man that I remember, Jerry Killian, being. I don't see anything in the documents that are discordant with what were the times, what were the situation and what were the people that were involved."
      Reached by the AP today, Strong was even more lukewarm toward the documents'



authenticity. His former colleague, Retired Col. Maurice Udell called them fakes: "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

 Typographical problems

  1. Although he tried to minimize the typographical concerns raised by many critics, Rather nonetheless tried to defend himself in this area. He failed, however. On the superscript issue, which Rather tried to explain away by throwing out the red herring that "Critics claim typewriters didn't have that ability in the 70s. But some models did."

      The problem with this statement is that Rather fails to list any such typewriters which might have the capability or how an Air National Guard office would be able to afford such expensive machines. Simply showing a photocopy of a letter in Bush's official file which originated from the Army's national office is no proof at all.

  1. The split screen image CBS offered of an official Bush document with superscript ordinal suffix and one of its own documents was not very convincing to Sandra Ramsey Lines, a forensic document expert who edits the Journal of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners who told the Associated Press that she "could testify in court that, beyond a reasonable doubt, her opinion was that the memos were written on a computer." She told the AP that she was "virtually certain" the CBS memos are not genuine.  
  2. Rather also neglected to mention that all of the documents which were written by Killian himself and his officers relied on simple mechanical typewriters incapable of printing in proportional fonts, let alone superscript.
  3. Despite the fact that Jerry Killian hated keeping notes, hated typing things (see above) that National Guard offices mostly use hand-me-down equipment from the full-time armed forces, and that Killian and his Guard officers have not been observed to have ever sent documents printed with proportional fonts, there is a possibility (OK really, really small) that Bush's superviser might have had access to an expensive IBM electric typewriter.

      Assuming Killian somehow had access to an IBM Selectric Composer (or similar model), Blogger Jeff Harrell wondered what one of the CBS memos would look like if typed in one of the re-famous devices. His results are yet more evidence that the CBS docs are forgeries.

  1. Dan also appears unfamiliar with fonts and typography. At one point in the rebuttal, he refers to the font used in the CBS documents as "New Times Roman," when the real name is Times New Roman. Rather also appears to be ignorant of the fact that Times New Roman was never used in typewriters and only came into wide use in the early 1990s when Microsoft licensed the font from the Monotype Corporation in preparation for the launch of Windows 3.0.
          Even if Times New Roman had been used in proportional typewriters during the 1970s, the font then was not the same as it is today since its present form actually dates from the 1980s following some changes that Monotype made to the font.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; foia; forgery; fraud; kerryrathergate; killian; mediabias; mediaelectioneering; memogate; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/11/2004 12:21:05 PM PDT by woodb01
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To: woodb01

Very good!

2 posted on 09/11/2004 12:22:24 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: woodb01

Atta boy, Bill!

3 posted on 09/11/2004 12:23:36 PM PDT by spyone (Haven't)
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To: woodb01

Go get them.

It may be too late, but you should have also requested a copy of the QM log showing what typewriters were in use in that building at that time.

4 posted on 09/11/2004 12:25:50 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: woodb01

Carumba! And good luck!

5 posted on 09/11/2004 12:26:49 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: woodb01


6 posted on 09/11/2004 12:27:03 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: woodb01
Maybe I have missed it with the numerous posting on this subject, but can't someone just research the PO Box number and where and who it was assigned to at that time?

Sorry if this has been asked but seems like another angle to look at.
7 posted on 09/11/2004 12:27:08 PM PDT by Horns
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; BykrBayb; LakeLady; bridgemanusa; Darksheare; Dr Snide; faithincowboys; ..


8 posted on 09/11/2004 12:29:52 PM PDT by stockpirate (Dick Morris; Before he spoke, supporting Bush was a duty one owed to the fallen. Now, it is an honor)
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To: woodb01

This is starting to sound like one of those "Dateline NBC-Sidesaddle gas tank" moments.

On a side note, is it considered a reportable abuse event on FreeRepublic if a poster's post makes one hurt himself laughing? :)

9 posted on 09/11/2004 12:30:13 PM PDT by P-40
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To: woodb01
While you are at it....ask for of a copy of AFM 35-13 that was cited in the alleged forgery dated 04 May 1972 and allegiddly signed by Jerry B. Killian, Lt Commander.

the one that orders GWB to report for annual physical exam

10 posted on 09/11/2004 12:30:53 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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To: Horns

That is a possibility, but doesn't create the conclusive "slam dunk" that you would want in a court of law. The PO Box is OBVIOUSLY bogus (34567, yea, right), but from a legal standpoint, having full rebuttal documentation would suffice the standards required for criminal proof.

This will hopefully help them to understand that this ISN'T going away, and they're sunk unless they recant. And once they recant, Kerry's sunk. Once they recant, then they also have to name the source, and dnCBS is sunk...

This is "checkmate" for them and they know it!!!

11 posted on 09/11/2004 12:31:13 PM PDT by woodb01 (END the 'dnC'BS "news" trash... - GIVE THE STORY LEGS!!!)
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To: Horns

Actually, that PO number is real.

The PO Box 3-4-5-6-7 is showin in a letter from GWB to his commander.

12 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:17 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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To: woodb01

Number 5 on page 5 has a typo. As seen below, Staudt retired in 1972 not 1973.

"An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged on March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of Bush's service, was dated Aug. 18, 1973."

13 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:33 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: woodb01
The PO Box is OBVIOUSLY bogus (34567, yea, right)

The really wierd thing is that's exactly the same as the combination for my luggage!

14 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: Beelzebubba; lawdog; ConservativeLawyer; Bedford Forrest; WL-law; Abundy

Calling All Lawdogs.

15 posted on 09/11/2004 12:33:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- -----)
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16 posted on 09/11/2004 12:35:50 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: woodb01; All

Good job, but probably less partisanship would have been wiser.

We really, really need someone to do an hour long network news show on this scandal. We have Rather down, now we have to get him out. He needs to GO.

17 posted on 09/11/2004 12:35:58 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: woodb01

It is important to extend the scope of the charges to the CBS affiliate station managers who actually broadcast the forged documents.

The stations actually own and operate the transmitters using the public airways to propagate the fraud of the forged documents.

18 posted on 09/11/2004 12:37:45 PM PDT by bert (Peace is only halftime !)
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To: Horns

Pentagon is investigating address.

19 posted on 09/11/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: woodb01

The PO Box is NOT bogus. How many times do we have to repeat this?

What is (apparently) bogus, is the use of a PO Box on the letterhead. That is apparently not typically done.

20 posted on 09/11/2004 12:38:23 PM PDT by ambrose (Rather Lied -- and the Kerry Campaign Died)
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