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Are the Killian Memos Fakes?
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| September 9, 2004
| Big Trunk at Powerline
Posted on 09/09/2004 6:42:06 AM PDT by Sue Bob
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To: SengirV
No, the question is - Is it possible that Killian used a typewritter with proportional spacing? And the answer is yes, no matter how you try to justify your head buried in the sand with respect to this issue. Sorry bud, but it CAN be proved that a document is a forgery based on fonts and equipment available at the time, just as some forgers use pens or ink that were not available at the time a forgery is supposed to have been written.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:04:32 AM PDT
by
eno_
(Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
To: UseYourHead
The whole of the matter is that documents exist wherein GWB is making an inquiry as to what he can do within the rules in order to work with his father on this campaign. He is not asking to get out of anything. He is not AWOL. The memos are proof of that. The item numbers in the 01 August 1972 are out of logical order though and presents some confusion. No. 3 and No. 4 appear to be the calendar order of events. Then 1 & 2 occur is the course of action.
It is very apparent that Bush wanted to fulfill the duties of both his country and father.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:05:49 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
To: cohokie
Then there must be a personal file on KERRY!! Where is it?
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:07:21 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
To: Sue Bob
Just yesterday I was talking to a former military man and we were laughing about the typing on military DD214s and those FBI reports. If this is true then I'd be a little suspicious.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:07:25 AM PDT
by
tiki
(Win one against the Flipper)
To: Doogle
And if they are indeed FAKE will CBS admit they were duped? CBS and Dan Rather already have a credibility factor lower than a Bow-Flex infomercial so they can't go much lower even if they do admit stupidity to accompany their bias.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:07:30 AM PDT
by
N. Theknow
(Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
To: MineralMan
I was using an IBM "proportional type" typewriter in an office in the '70's. I published newsletters and training material.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:08:00 AM PDT
by
ntnychik
To: Sue Bob
BS....Sue Bob......no it should'nt be investigated. If GW has an honorable discharge from the USAF and didn't fake his awards and decorations then it's just shit'n shineola smoke and mirrors BS from the rats who are scurrying for any morsel of propaganda with 55 days left in their race for the oval office.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:08:45 AM PDT
by
Squantos
(Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
To: eno_
Exactly, that is how "The Hitler Diaries" were found to be a hoax.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:08:51 AM PDT
by
Dems_R_Losers
(Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
To: Doogle
And if they are indeed FAKE will CBS admit they were duped? Hell no.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:12:30 AM PDT
by
Ditto
( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
To: SengirV
My goodness, you reaaly hate Bush. it's ok for Kerry to be involved in a plot to kill political leaders, it is ok for him to privately meet with the viet cong. it is ok for him to give false testimony under oath before the Senate, it's ok for him to lie about his medals. But G Winner supposedly gets a bad performance report and that is the most important thing in your mind.
What will be your response when the Navy finally releases skerry's dishonorable discharge from the 70's. I guess Bush's suppossed bad performance report trumps that right?
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:13:07 AM PDT
by
marty60
To: N. Theknow
CBS and Dan Rather already have a credibility factor lower than a Bow-Flex infomercial.... What? Are you saying that chick's not 50 and I've been working my butt off for nothing?
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:13:36 AM PDT
by
Quilla
To: Howlin; cyncooper
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:13:48 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
To: ntnychik
The problem I see here is that few commander's ever used typewriters. In the mid-70s when I joined...there wasn't a single officer in the squadron who could type. This was all left to the enlisted guys to do, or else the officer had his wife type up the document at the house.
To: Sue Bob
I doubt that the forgerers, if they are forgeries, would use typewriters that weren't in existence when the forgeries were supposedly typed.
That's Forgery 101 right there.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:14:38 AM PDT
by
dead
(I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
To: ntnychik
I find that the phrase "proportional spacing" is used only with the wheel typewriters that came out AFTER the Selectric I and II. Later Selectric models had "selective spacing" - it looks more and more as if this could be blown open.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:14:46 AM PDT
by
eno_
(Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
To: ntnychik
Were you in the Tx national Guard?
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:14:49 AM PDT
by
marty60
To: MineralMan
I know this, because about the time these memos were supposed to have been written, I used an IBM Executive to typeset the body text for a small magazine I published at the time. I was in the PA NG in this time period, we had manual typewriters, and the few electrics available at battalion were not proportional. There is no way these were typed by Killian. I too was involved in typesetting in the early 80s and even those systems, Selectric's and Linotronics would have required a vastly greater skill set than Killian would have possessed to produce documents like these.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:15:00 AM PDT
by
TC Rider
(The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
To: Doogle
Where were they? Well, if those of us who think these are forgeries are correct, I guess they were still sparks in the minds of the Clintonian hit teams that Kerry seems to have hired.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:15:16 AM PDT
by
MizSterious
(First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
To: marty60
Good point. The issue is KILLIAN here. - The statement last night that the whole segment was based upon the iffy assertion of their "expert" (who himself wouldn't commit for fear of being sued for his britches later) and the testimony of a big Democrat Kerry donor makes it ABSOLUTE POPPYCOCK! I hope they paid the "expert" analyst really well; he may need it if his loose assertion is proven false and slanderous later on. Someone should remind him.
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posted on
09/09/2004 7:15:21 AM PDT
by
Twinkie
To: MineralMan
Thanks for confirming what I suspected in response to another similar post. To wit...
1960s Manual and electric front strike typewriters remained the office standard until the IBM Selectric with its golf-ball type-element was introduced in 1961. The Selectric's carriage was stationary while the type-element moved back and forth across the page. As was true of earlier single-element typewriters, the type-element on the Selectric could be changed to permit writing in different fonts and languages.
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