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Reckless Full-Body Medical Scans
NY Times ^ | September 6, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 09/06/2004 3:59:30 PM PDT by neverdem

For a prime example of medical screening that has proliferated beyond reason, consider the alarming case of full-body computed tomography scans to detect cancer, cardiovascular disease and other conditions. Narrowly targeted C.T. scans aimed at particular organs are undeniably valuable when used by doctors to pin down a diagnosis in sick patients. But full-body scans to screen healthy individuals for hidden disease have never been shown to be effective, and now there is evidence that the scans may be harmful. A new study finds that the scans impart radiation doses comparable to those received by atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, causing a small but significant increase in the risk of cancer.

Nobody seems quite sure how many Americans get the full-body scans each year. The number is believed to mount into the tens of thousands or conceivably hundreds of thousands. The scans are performed mostly at freestanding clinics that have sprung up to promote the procedure. They can cost more than $1,000 and are seldom covered by insurance, so the clients are presumably affluent or so concerned about hidden disease that they will pay.

The scans are supposed to detect early signs of lung cancer, colon cancer and coronary artery disease, among other ailments, thus allowing for timely treatment. But the evidence that they are effective is mostly anecdotal. No scientific studies have yet shown a health or life-saving benefit, and there is controversy among experts over a high false-positive rate that forces patients to undergo needless further tests. The Food and Drug Administration and the American College of Radiology, among other expert groups, oppose full-body scans in people who have no symptoms of disease

A study published in May by Yale University researchers found that radiologists and emergency room physicians were largely unaware of how much radiation the scans delivered, and now a study by Columbia University researchers highlights the risk of dying from radiation-induced cancer. A single full-body scan delivers a radiation dose nearly 100 times that of a screening mammogram and only slightly lower than the dose received by atomic bomb survivors a mile and a half from the burst sites. That's not a huge added risk (only a 1-in-1,250 risk of dying from cancer), but people worried about hidden disease would presumably want repeated, regular screenings. Full-body scans administered annually for 30 years starting at age 45 could cause one cancer death in every 50 patients, the new study estimates. That is a disturbingly high risk for a procedure of dubious benefit.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Technical; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: cancer; fda; health; medicine; testing
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This is one of their rare editorials that I can agree with.
1 posted on 09/06/2004 3:59:33 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: fourdeuce82d; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; ...

ping


2 posted on 09/06/2004 4:02:22 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

When every person has a right to health care, there will be (are?) MANY procedures of dubious benefit performed on many who want to exercise their right.


3 posted on 09/06/2004 4:02:54 PM PDT by ReadyNow
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To: ReadyNow

When every person has a right to health care, you'll find it getting rationed.


4 posted on 09/06/2004 4:06:11 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem
But full-body scans to screen healthy individuals for hidden disease have never been shown to be effective

Effective at what? Finding diseases that aren't there? By definition healthy people don't have diseases, so what effectiveness are they measuring.

Is it reckless to find out that you are disease free? And if you are, would you really need annual screenings of this type? I doubt it. For those who have legitimate concnerns this could be an excellent diagnostic to relive their anxieties.

5 posted on 09/06/2004 4:13:17 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (No, I didn't, but I know a guy who did.)
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To: neverdem

CT does involve exposure to radiation in the form of x-rays, but the benefit of an accurate diagnosis far outweighs the risk. The effective radiation dose from this procedure is about 10 mSv, which is about the same as the average person receives from background radiation in three years.

If this amount of 'life dose' scares you, then don't fly in commercial aircraft. ;-)

Some homes' foundations are more highly radioactive than this.

Certianly you not want a CAT/CAT (computed tomography) full-body scan on a quarterly basis, but it can be a lot more useful and revealing than your typical physical.

try this from the national cancer institute

http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/5_2.htm


6 posted on 09/06/2004 4:15:21 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: neverdem
A new study finds that the scans impart radiation doses comparable to those received by atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, causing a small but significant increase in the risk of cancer.

However, atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and their offspring are longer-lived and have less serious disease than the typical Japanese population not exposed to nuclear radiation.
7 posted on 09/06/2004 4:18:18 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: neverdem

I don't know enough to make a judgement yet on the benefits of full-body scanning, but my B.S. detector starts beeping wheneever an author starts likening a procedure with something like atomic-blast radiation. It smascks of alarmism -- the author clearly wants you to believe the worst, and the worst we can think of is something like an atomic blast. It's emotionalism, and it does nothing to convince me of anything, except that the author is trying his best to sell me on something.


8 posted on 09/06/2004 4:18:20 PM PDT by Harpo Speaks
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To: neverdem
A new study finds that the scans impart radiation doses comparable to those received by atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, causing a small but significant increase in the risk of cancer.

I'm sorry, I'm having a difficult time reading this article with by BS detector going off this loudly. How about 'some' range of numbers as to the exposure? Typically, these measurements are made in rads? The exposure intensity, time, and the type of radiation make a huge difference.

When someone makes as ignorant a statement as given above, I question not only thier 'facts', but their intelligence on the subject. The subject is not all that complicated ( Source ), and getting baseline numbers should be relatively simple, as these machines are required to specify how much, and what type of radiation are exposed to the patient.

9 posted on 09/06/2004 4:18:58 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Hodar

Two minds with a single thought! Or, at least, a single B.S. detector....


10 posted on 09/06/2004 4:20:38 PM PDT by Harpo Speaks
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To: neverdem
This is one of their rare editorials that I can agree with.

I have to disagree with the NY Times, the medical establishment and you.

The medical establishment is one of the biggest sufferers of the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome of all time. Read up on the history of how ulcers came to be found to be an infectious disease instead of a reaction to stress, for a glaring example of this.

The medical establishment is trying to preserve their own power. The Times is just going along with them.

Insurance companies are against scans because they find serious conditions early enough to be treated (at great expense). The dirtiest little secret in the whole medical skeleton closet is that insurance companies would rather have you die than find a serious illness when there is still time to treat it. If they can get you to 65 without discovering anything major, they pass you on to medicare. If you find a problem sooner they are stuck for the treatment cost.

11 posted on 09/06/2004 4:25:40 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Eagle Eye
Eagle Eye --

Current healthcare is "episodic" and post-symptomatic. This means generally you don't get diagnosed and treated until you present with symptoms of a known disease.

Also, current protocols are guided by what is re-imbursed, not what is needed, per se. In other words, a doc can't get paid for x-raying or MRIing your midsection when you present with symptoms of a broken hand ... even though a full-body scan might reveal the early stages of liver cancer. I didn't say that well, but current medicine and payments are based around healing people who are sick - they are in an episode -- they have presented with symptoms -- they can be diagnosed with an illness. the future of medicine is based on getting more and better information sooner about a patient and treating the patient EARLIER in an episode or on a pre-symptomatic or even pre-dispositional basis.

Geesh. lemme see if I can make this simple. in the near future ... Based on your genotype (heredity), phenotype (life-health history) and current information ( a full body scan interpreted by a qualified and interested radiologist assisted by a powerful computer,) a 'diagnosis' [ really a predisposition for] of future cancer can be made and treatment begun BEFORE you get sick. The future of medicine will be based on a different body of evidence -- evidence secured PRIOR to what we call illness today.

With today's protocols, a full body scan is superfluous (except to indulge the curious)unless it can be fully interpreted on a timely basis.
12 posted on 09/06/2004 4:31:54 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: neverdem

Hey I thought they used body scanning on Star Trek?


13 posted on 09/06/2004 4:36:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: neverdem

One of the criticisms that I have about the article is: There is no quantitative data (in the article) regarding the level of radiation dose. If the effective dose is about 10 mSv (1 REM old style of notation), it is doubtful that any statistical effect could be observed.

Why?

1. The magnitude of such an effect would be below the level of resolution for epidemiological studies. It would take observing millions of subjects, to determine if any increase did occur. In other words, the costs associated with such a study would be prohibitive.

2. There is also some evidence, which suggests low effective doses of radiation (in the magnitude of 1 mSv) may depress the the incidence of cancer. This effect is known as hormesis, but it is very difficult to 'prove' for the very same reason. However, this does not suggests that frequently repeated doses of 1 mSV would be safe.

3. My biggest concern with the procedure, is that it will be done frequently, when it is not necessary. I believe that some 'cost/benefit' justification is needed, instead of frivolous use of the procedure.

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Some of the evidence about 'hormesis':

High background level areas in the world

A. Guaparaj, Brazil
B. Kerala Province, India
C. Ramsar, Iran



14 posted on 09/06/2004 4:38:10 PM PDT by punster
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To: CurlyDave

Curly --

I have to agree and disagree with you at the same time. I agreed with you before I disagreed witu you/ How JFK-ish ;-)


Chronic care is 80% of direct healthcare costs. Next on the list are Emergency and Intensive Care. Actually Payers are not against scans - they are against scans outside of accepted protocols. They would MUCH rather pay for a scan to accurately catch your illness early, prevent it, or cure your conditoin (regardless of how "serious" it is) as opposed to letting you fall into a chronic care category.

Chronic care is also something directly associated with aging. We all want to age well. Payers included. They and the "establishment" do not wish anyone to just die.


15 posted on 09/06/2004 4:39:26 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: aruanan; SortaBichy
atomic-bomb survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and their offspring are longer-lived and have less serious disease than the typical Japanese population not exposed to nuclear radiation.

..and easier to spot, too.

16 posted on 09/06/2004 4:40:11 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK)
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To: neverdem

This is actually something that I have experience with. My husband's boss had a full body scan at the Cooper Clinic in Dallas and he had a tiny lung cancer. It was found so early that he didn't have to have chemo or radiation. (he never smoked a day in his life) Another friend had bone cancer found in his hip but he did have a history of cancer of the kidney. I myself had thyroid cancer, which was found at the Cooper Clinic. There is no cancer in my family and I've never been exposed to any kind of radiation.


17 posted on 09/06/2004 4:40:40 PM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: neverdem

I would think that a full body scan would come up with some problem in just about anyone. I am from the old school....if it an't broke, don't fix it!


18 posted on 09/06/2004 4:40:43 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: neverdem

If I get enough of these things, maybe I can turn into Mr. Fantastic or the Human Torch. Being the Invisible Girl might be cool, too, but I don't want to undergo the necessary trans-gender surgery.

I have no interest in being The Thing, so there is a calculated risk.


19 posted on 09/06/2004 4:41:48 PM PDT by flada (I do not fall down. That SOB pushed me.)
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To: Blueflag

What they are talking about is a P.E.T.(Positron Emission Tomography) Scan. It costs $5000 and I had one done when I was diagnosed with squamos cell carcinoma. It was worth every penny to know that the cancer had not metasized. I had seven weeks of radiation therapy and have been cancer free for 29 months.


20 posted on 09/06/2004 4:42:13 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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