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1 posted on 09/05/2004 10:29:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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113 posted on 09/05/2004 11:03:58 AM PDT by Thud
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Douglas Brinkley said Sunday that if an ongoing Navy investigation into Kerry's military decorations turns up evidence of "purposeful" deception, it could spell doom for the top Democrat's White House bid.

What does he mean by IF? They will, and it won't just sound the doom of Kerry's White House bid; it will go much, much, deeper and be extremely devastating to Kerry, all his supporters, and the DNC.

124 posted on 09/05/2004 11:08:29 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Is there any possibility that Kerry or his friend Kennedy can alter the outcome of this investigation?


125 posted on 09/05/2004 11:08:54 AM PDT by beethoven
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Hmmm. Looks like the major media is going to have a hard time ignoring this one, though I'm sure they'll try their best.


126 posted on 09/05/2004 11:09:33 AM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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Brinkley is wisely looking to his career future as a reputable biographer so he is busily paddling away from Kerry's sinking Swiftboat. He doesn't want to be sucked under when Kerry goes down.
128 posted on 09/05/2004 11:10:25 AM PDT by finnigan2
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But Brinkley predicted that a discrepancy with Kerry's medals could seriously escalate his political problems.

If proven, will Tom Lantos tell Kerry that he should emulate Admiral Boorda as he advised Craig Livingstone?

131 posted on 09/05/2004 11:14:08 AM PDT by nycgal
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When your own biographer starts to back away, Youve got serious troubles.


137 posted on 09/05/2004 11:16:26 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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140 posted on 09/05/2004 11:17:24 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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Looks like I should stop holding my breath for Brinkley's New Yorker article.


146 posted on 09/05/2004 11:20:31 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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It might be interesting to see why Kerry, who apparently requested a DD-215 to "correct" his DD-214 to add bronze stars to his Vietnam Service Medal, DIDN'T correct the very obvious error relative to the "V" on the Silver Star.


148 posted on 09/05/2004 11:21:13 AM PDT by jackbill
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Sen. John Kerry's campaign biographer Douglas Brinkley said Sunday that if an ongoing Navy investigation into Kerry's military decorations turns up evidence of "purposeful" deception, it could spell doom for the top Democrat's White House bid.

Probably. But since when in the last twelve years has any Democrat cared about "purposeful" deception? Quite frankly, I have seen indications of the "win at any cost" strategy.

149 posted on 09/05/2004 11:23:05 AM PDT by SaveTheChief (Bach gave us God's Word, Mozart gave us God's laughter, Beethoven gave us God's fire.)
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so what happens?

in the event of major do-do, edwards steps up to the plate?


150 posted on 09/05/2004 11:24:43 AM PDT by ken21
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We need to get someone trustworthy like Sandy Berger to review the document, he is an expert on "sloppiness".
151 posted on 09/05/2004 11:25:45 AM PDT by RobFromGa
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This could backfire on Republicans.

Lehman may not remember signing the Silver Star citation and it may have been done via auto pen.

IF the probe clears Kerry, he will have ammunition to claim that the Bush campaign maligned his record and illegally used the investigative offices of the DOD to do so.

I would counter with a (hopefully official) finding that Kerry's 1st PH was a fraud.

The Kerry campaign is laying traps to make it look like the President is using the government to smear him.

Clinton did similarly in 1992 when GHWB's agents started looking into his Mena AK past. Clinton claimed abuse of power and deliberate unsubstantiated smear. The claim worked, the investigation was shut down.


157 posted on 09/05/2004 11:29:44 AM PDT by Hostage
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Now come on now. There is no way the Navy will find against our Vietnam War Hero. I am sure the Navy is crawling with pro-sKerry supporters (sarcasm/off)
169 posted on 09/05/2004 11:38:02 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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184 posted on 09/05/2004 11:57:21 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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Senator Kerry wasn't busted for *anything* while serving at Lt Governor under Dukakis in Massachusetts, or as Senator, or during the Democratic Party primaries...

...But so far in the general election he's been busted for: falsely claiming Senator Bob KerrEy's key vote on one bill, for falsely claiming Senator Bob KerrEy's Vice Chairmanship of the Senate Intel Committee, for not being in Cambodia on Christmas of 1968, for not being sent to Cambodia by Nixon (who wasn't even in office then), for having the "V" on his Silver Star, and for getting 2 purple hearts for superficial, self-inflicted (though perhaps unintentional) wounds.

All of the above should have been brought up by the press and by his Democratic Party challengers during the Democratic primaries. None were.

This is Social Darwinism. The news media has so protected its own by covering for them in the press that over time its herd has grown weak.

In the meantime, Republicans have been under attack for so long in and by the news media that the weak have been culled from our herd and only the strong remain on our side.

We've seen our Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott be forced to resign his leadership post for telling a one-line joke at a birthday party for Strom Thurmond. We've seen the New York Times fabricate from whole cloth, using ellipses, a fake quote from President Bush (courtesy of Maureen Dowd) in order to slam him. We've seen the AP fabricate "Republicans" supposedly boo'ing Bush's kind words of support for former President Clinton's recovery in the hospital (courtesy of the Natural Law Party reporter Tom Hays). We've seen the press go into a feeding frenzy that drove Senator Packwood from office for a single kiss on the lips of a single staffer, and heaven forbid, we've seen them go nuts because Justice Thomas offered a woman a can of Coke.

The *slightest* misstep on the part of Republicans is hammered mercilessly by the news media. In contrast, Sandy Berger stealing top secret national security documents is glossed over as being "inadvertent" by this same news media (courtesy of Chris Lehane). Shoot, the *leaker* of the treasonous Senate Intel Committee documents that showed that the Democrats stalled a judicial nominee in order to get the court decision that they wanted, yes, the patriotic *leaker*, has been drummed out of office...whereas the authors of those memos are still employed in Washington.

...And for years, natch, decades, this constant double-standard has worked for the Democrats. There is no doubt that it has given the Democrats an undeserved boost of 10% to 15% in various elections that they wouldn't have earned simply on the merits of their policy positions or based upon the charisma of their candidates.

But after all of this time, Social Darwinism is finally kicking in. The Democrats have been protected for so long that they've grown soft. Ask Senator Kerry why he voted against the F-14 and against the B-2 and against our national missile defense and he gets so flustered that he lashes out that we are "questioning his patriotism."

On top of Social Darwinism kicking in (with our herd being strong and their herd being weak), we've reached the point in time where *technology* has eroded the old monopolistic power of the news media. Just as the automobile ended the monopoly on transportation once held supreme by the railways and shipping companies, so too has the Internet, talk radio, and Fox News eroded the prime sources of news and information of the established print and broadcast news media.

These are powerful new trends, and there is no doubt that the new trends will dictate a new outcome for political and social discourse in our future. The old ways are doomed.

Bring forth the new!

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195 posted on 09/05/2004 12:07:12 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Brinkley is playing CYA BIGTIME!

He's had access to Kerry's records and KNOWS EXACTLY how they differ from the info that "was" posted on Kerry's website.


197 posted on 09/05/2004 12:08:51 PM PDT by G Larry (Support John Thune!)
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Brinkley is covering his rear since it is clear his book is full of lies concerning Kerry's actions (Cambodia is nothing else) One way or the other, he knows more bad stuff is to come and wants to make it clear it is not ":his sloppiness" as the cause or his reputation is done.

But the Repubs, et al. should use Brinkley's ca;l; for full records release to hammer Kerry with it.


200 posted on 09/05/2004 12:12:13 PM PDT by rod1
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Not too soon...else someone will have to swoop in and rescue the party ticket.

Wonder who might be available?


201 posted on 09/05/2004 12:13:31 PM PDT by TomGuy (His VN crumbling, he says 'move on'. So now, John Kerry is running on Bob KerrEy's Senate record.)
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