Swiftboat Crewman: Kerry Boat Under Fire

AP ^ | August 26, 2004

[Cboldt]

Inside the wheelhouse would probably be the worst place to detemine if there was enemy fire of not. Engine noise behind, bow gunner in front of you, twin 50 cals overhead.

I understand him being vague.

Thank you for those insights. I wouldn't have gotten there on my own.

I would wager that Lambert's Bronze Star citation recites the presence of enemy fire, while he pulled Thurlow out of the drink. SOmebody else would have been in the wheel house then, unless PCF-51 was anchored.

Anyway, I cut him slack, as I do Rood and all of the others (although Rassmann is rubbing me pretty strong the wrong way). Lambert is in a tough spot, and he really didn't ask for it.

[jonrick46]

The broken windows did occur the previous day.

[sirchtruth]

Now Kerry is being being defined, his credibility is shattered on an issue HE brought up and based his campaign on and now he is now on the defensive.

Who thinks his credibility is shattered besides us? Do you really think that moderates are saying to themselves Kerry's credibility is gone? The fense sitters are right now wondering about whether or not to VOTE for Kerry, Bush doesn't even enter the equation!

If Kerry's tanking so bad because of this, why are virtually ALL the polls basically putting the two at EVEN right now? That's my point!!

[festus]

EUREKA !!!!!

I've got it. Folks the mystery is solved....

Kerry's wounds were self inflicted right ?

And some on his boat thought they were under fire right ?

After the mine went off Kerry was busily firing off various weapons trying in vain to injure himself and all the while his crew was under the impression they were under attack.........

Are you with me on this

??? ;-) ;-)

[plain talk]

No. Bush is now ahead in the polls by several points because of the SWB vets.

Do you really think that moderates are saying to themselves Kerry's credibility is gone?

Yes, a certain percentage of them are which are affecting the polls.

[jonrick46]

What can-of-worms is this opening for the entire war metals decorating system in the military? If officers like Kerry could write medals requests like punching out donuts, how many other war veterans got medals for favors? I can see those medals for heroism losing their value like so many counterfeit coins.

This will go down in history as Medalgate.

Those war veterans who got medals for real heroism should be waking up to the reality of what Kerry did. I am waiting for things to go ballistic once it is realized that Kerry used the system for his own selfish brat ends and compromised the value for everyone.

[lowercoloradoriver]

Where do you get the 5 km distance?

[jonrick46]

By the way, what is the penalty for submitting false medal decorations reports for his entire swift boat crew? What is the penalty for using your position as an officer to submit your own false medal decoration reports?

The correct answer: You lose your medals and you lose the presidency

[Jorge]

....boat commander, who has challenged the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire.

LOL!

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Now wait a sec. In one of the latest attack ads against Bush, doesn't Rasmussen say that he was the only one in the river? Doesn't he go on to further state that anyone who says differently is a liar?

[Jorge]

Bush has nothing to do with it. It's the veterans doing this.

Pretending Bush, the dumbest President in history is the mastermind behind these highly effective attacks on Kerry is just too fun resist.

[Chieftain]

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[SuziQ]

"I thought we were under fire, I believed we were under fire," Lambert said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

Doesn't sound very convinced, does he?

[SuziQ]

Let the SBV dispute Kerry's account with their book, but to keep hammering on this is going to cause nothing but trouble for republicans and Bush.

They've moved on from the 'enemy fire' discussion, unless the media brings it up. Their newest two commercials are about Kerry's trashing of the soldiers AFTER he came home. It looks like they are doing a progression of ads folloing a timeline from his actions in Vietnam, to his testimony before Congress. I hope they'll do one on his 'secret negotiations' with the North Vietnamese in Paris, then his using his new found fame, won on the backs of the vests he trashed, to get into politics. I believe it will round out the picture of a man who would do ANYTHING and hurt ANYONE to get what he wants. I dont' think folks will want that kind of man for President.

[Shermy]

I think the debate over who got what for bravery is a loser.

It's Kerry's purple heart that's the issue. His ticket home, his bug out contrary to the affect of duty he tries to sell.

[aruanan]

you forget they had to stay and TOW the #3 boat back!

I think I mentioned that in #3. So all the 5000 meters of firing just ceased the moment Kerry made it back to pick up Rassmann and the hordes VC didn't close in on everybody stopped in the river?

[CedarDave]

Now's the time for Bush to roll out the next ball for Kerry and his dogs to chase.

The only ball that Bush is rolling is one with his lawyers to the court house to stop the Swift Boat ads, which have done more to help him than any other $$$ campaign ad. He's an idiot for doing so, and if some liberal judge orders an end to the ads (via an immediate injunction), Bush will have cut off one of the most effective tools that would have guaranteed his re-election. I can't put on this forum what I think of McCain and Bush's pandering to him.

[Mogollon]

If the Poodles boat was under fire, why weren't there any bullet holes in his boat? AK-47's blazing away at a boat no more than 75 yards away would be bound to hit the boat several times.

The evidence points to the Swiftee's being right again and the poodle's supporter being wrong.

[CedarDave]

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