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The monster house next door. 5 Tips: Preventing a "McMansion" next to your bungalow.
CNN ^ | 8/20/04 | Gerri Willis

Posted on 08/21/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by lowbridge

For many Americans, bigger is better when it comes to their homes. The facts speak for themselves: According to the Census Bureau, the average home size has swelled 40 percent since the early 70's.

According to National Association of Homebuilders, 19 percent of homes built in 2003 were 3,000 square feet or more. But the appetite for larger and larger homes has run afoul of some. Namely those who've watched super-sized structures crop up next door.

How can you fight "McMansion" expansion where you live? Here are today's 5 Tips.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cnn; housing; landuse; propertyrights; zoning
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To: sauropod
Why shouldn't people be allowed to build what they want?

I believe they should. However I recall a situation when I was a kid that drove neighbors crazy. I lived in an old neighborhood, it was a commuter neighborhood from the turn of the century where wealthy Philadelphia busnessmen lived and commuted into the city. So it was full of old large homes. Then one burned down and a new owner bought the land and build an ultra-modern house that looked like a pyramid. It was a nice home I guess (I thought it was ugly but that's a matter of taste) but it looked totally out of place in the neighborhood it was in. I always wondered why if they liked modern architecture so much, they chose to live in (and change) such a traditional neighborhood.

21 posted on 08/21/2004 12:42:46 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: lowbridge
18% can only afford to buy a house in CA last year it was 26%.... What the hell does that mean? I believe it is over valuation- but with these low interest rates- is it? Are the real estate valuation real or are they over extensions of wishful thinking.

It is tough to watch the median price of housing balloon so out of proportion that the only way to afford it is to become a rocket engineer or liberal lawyer.

22 posted on 08/21/2004 12:46:05 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: pepsi_junkie
Interesting story.

The way to control things such as that is to have zoning and covenants to not allow such a building that is so radically out of place with everything else.

However, having covenants and zoning stomps all over the property rights of the individual. I oppose covenants and zoning in almost all cases. Having lived in a neighborhood with a practicing "community association" board, I would never do so again.

23 posted on 08/21/2004 12:48:11 PM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Dog Gone

In Michigan small cottages on Lake Michigan are torn down (except for one foundation brick) and "remodeled." (Easier to get a permit to remodel a house than to build new)

The "remodeled" house is a million dollar mansion.

And the house that was torn down wasn't worth a dollar to the new owners.

And guess what? The neighbors' property values shoot up every time that happens.


24 posted on 08/21/2004 12:50:20 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: lowbridge

Large houses are somethig new?

I don't think so.

I have a Victorian (built in 1883) that's 3900 sq. ft.


25 posted on 08/21/2004 12:50:31 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: lowbridge
How can you fight "McMansion" expansion where you live?

NEXT WEEK- Tips On Fighting Your Neighbor When He Buys A Bigger Car Than Yours

26 posted on 08/21/2004 12:52:02 PM PDT by harrycarey
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To: lowbridge

My next door neighbors doubled the size of their house but only got a permit to put on a porch.

I dithered quite a bit about it, but decided not to do anything, I don't like it but don't feel like dealing with the revenge that would surely come my way.


27 posted on 08/21/2004 12:52:04 PM PDT by CobaltBlue (Eat American honey.)
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To: Paul Atreides
My house in WV is only 23,000 sq ft, with a 10,000 sq ft great room/hall. I have garage space for 19 vehicles (we only have 9 cars, and two pickups, right now), including my motor home, and boat. I have 5 bedrooms, and more baths. My master suite is larger than the other houses around me. It is in a 'development' with a minimum size restriction, 1200 sq ft.! I have placed the entire thing into a family trust, and I don't care about next door, except for the State Wildlife Management Area (that means you can shoot bambi, etc!) next to it! It will always be ours, and doesn't detract from anybody!

Built with a concrete 'ceiling' covered with 3-4 feet of good topsoil, it features a really green roof! I have a south facing view, with a 2 acre pond I biolt in front, to reflect light and provide solar heating...

It has active hot water solar panels, and they provide all of our hot water, plus most of our heat. My utility bills are more for cooking LP (we have commercial appliances, and entertain a lot), as about $100-150 a monthy for Electric. I will be glad when they can make enough juice with sand (silica), cheaply enough, to make Photovoltaics worthwhile... of course then you have a massive need for batteries... 5-7 year life expectancy...

I just wish I was in a part of WV where the gas pipeline runs. Then I could get all the gas I want, for free!!!

28 posted on 08/21/2004 12:54:10 PM PDT by pageonetoo (Rush didn't know??? MajaRushie, the all knowing one? I have a bridge to sell...)
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To: Paul Atreides

LOL What was I thinking? ; )


29 posted on 08/21/2004 12:57:20 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Porterville
It is tough to watch the median price of housing balloon so out of proportion that the only way to afford it is to become a rocket engineer or liberal lawyer.

But if homes aren't affordable, then why are new home construction and home ownership at all-time highs? Why is there no demand for small, "affordable" houses, but a huge demand for McMansions?

30 posted on 08/21/2004 12:57:39 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

That's fine if the lot is big enough to accommodate it. However, if they're going to build a mansion that completely intrudes on the house next door, then there are two property owners whose rights must be considered, not one. Externalities matter. Freedom from big government is not freedom in stomp all over other people.


31 posted on 08/21/2004 12:59:16 PM PDT by Inkie (Surround Fallujia and start shooting.)
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To: Inkie
However, if they're going to build a mansion that completely intrudes on the house next door,...

You own your property to where it meets the neighbor. The only restriction can be "how close to the edge can you build", which is referred to as "setback"? Some places don't have them. Build on the line, if you wish!!

32 posted on 08/21/2004 1:04:10 PM PDT by pageonetoo (Rush didn't know??? MajaRushie, the all knowing one? I have a bridge to sell...)
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To: lowbridge

And I don't like the slur on that fine American eating establishment either.


33 posted on 08/21/2004 1:04:49 PM PDT by omniscient
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To: Physicist

New home construction is at an all-time high so people can get away from...

...the neighborhoods with small, "affordable" houses where homeownership is at an all-time high mainly because 20 people can move in and split the mortgage payment 20 times.


34 posted on 08/21/2004 1:05:23 PM PDT by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: brianl703
So you're saying that the population of the U.S. is growing at a rate much faster than home construction?
35 posted on 08/21/2004 1:08:59 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: lowbridge

Might want to start with the closest mental-health organization in my neighborhood.


36 posted on 08/21/2004 1:09:29 PM PDT by Old Professer (If they win, it will be because we've become too soft.)
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To: Physicist
People from LA are selling their homes for cash and buying/speculating on houses N. of Ventura and the Grapevine for cash. I lived in CA all my life- many of these places are not worth the money- at all; combination of pollution, lack of water, poor weather in the summer, crime, property tax, and unemployment- diminishes the total value of the land. So why? What is going on?

The McCmansions are relatively cheap to build compared to the value of the soil in which they are being built. A 6,000 square foot lot where I live is selling for 300,000 grand- Do you know many professions including medicine that can afford a mortgage of 600,000 dollars if they have to purchase the investment without the help of mommy and daddy- which I suspect is how many of the flamers on this board "earned" the houses that they live.

So what we have is a large mass of the population that managed to trade up before the bubble or who have lived here for many years. The new flux of professionals can not afford to buy- without some creativity and will.

37 posted on 08/21/2004 1:09:44 PM PDT by Porterville (Dare to hate that which hurts what you love.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

I'm about as libertarian and pro-property rights as they come, however I do concede that I see some wisdom in zoning laws when it comes to historical neighborhoods.

There is a lot of character and neighborhood cohesiveness that can be completely undermined by one ugly, out of place home built in a historical neighborhood.


38 posted on 08/21/2004 1:14:16 PM PDT by tdadams (If there were no problems, politicians would have to invent them... wait, they already do.)
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To: Porterville
Do you know many professions including medicine that can afford a mortgage of 600,000 dollars if they have to purchase the investment without the help of mommy and daddy- which I suspect is how many of the flamers on this board "earned" the houses that they live

That's a cheap and unnecessary shot. Who the hell do you think you are, drawing unwarranted conclusions about how people here earned their living? I'd venture most of the successful posters here did it on their own; guilt ridden liberals are usually the ones who haven't earned their money.

39 posted on 08/21/2004 1:17:47 PM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: lowbridge

A big new house next door means big bucks for you. Right now on paper and cash when you sell. This is not a bad problem to have.


40 posted on 08/21/2004 1:20:55 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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