Posted on 08/10/2004 12:27:10 PM PDT by BillyBoy
Fellow FReepers,
One of our active members in the Illinois chapter, Unspun, has created an e-petition calling on Republican leaders on both the state and national level to immediately fully fund and support the U.S. Senate campaign of Dr. Alan L. Keyes.
I'm posting this on FR because all freepers across America are welcomed and encouraged to sign. And after you do, please forward it to others you know:
A re-elected President George W. Bush and our nation NEED Alan Keyes to assume Peter Fitzgerald's Senate seat. Fitzgerald was elected running as unapologetic conservative and that's exactly what Keyes is doing. Alan Keyes CAN win this election but only through the national efforts of conservatives everywhere. He is jumping into the race during the time of crisis when the Democrats are way ahead on fundraising.
It is especially important for Ambassador Keyes' wonderful voice of insightful American statesmanship and conscience to be heard in the Senate, instead of the liberal extremity represented by Barack Obama's Illinois State Senate votes.
This petition simply calls for Republican leaders to unite, to:
1. Introduce Alan Keyes to the campaign contributors they know.
2. Encourage the volunteers they know, to work for Dr. Keyes.
3. Strongly endorse Alan Keyes and work with his campaign
The time is short in this unique and historic campaign. The eyes of the nation are upon it. Alan Keyes' message must get to all the voters of Illinois.
The above link explains further. Opening it, you will see that this petition is starting to be being signed by dedicated Illinoisans and other Americans of principle, including grass roots and political leaders.
Won't you add your your name and town to the list?
The link to the petition itself is:
http://www.petitiononline.com/KeyesIL/petition.html
Thank you! Please pass it on! BUMP this thread!
Do what Alan did.
Take your pick between violating your sense of intent concerning a PROCESS issue, and allowing someone who has no regard for the actual weighty matters in the Constitution, matters of life and liberty.
Choose wisely.
of course since he's only polling at 28% none of it really matters. He's not gonna slow Obama down on campaigning for others Dems, he's not going to keep Obama from getting the seat, and in making this run he has declared the Illinois GOP dead and useless. Oh AND on top of all that it keeps Alan from being able to help GOP candidates.
That's really the worst part about this thing, not only did Alan stop being a man of principles, he sold himself down the river for nothing. It's a big loss all the way around, and a 100% stupid move by everybody involved.
Sure would have been nice if the Ill GOP had chosen wisely, or Alan. And now suddenly you want me to what they all refused too?! What for. This one is over, Obama will win, and Alan garaunteed it.
According to you and CBS, in a poll taken before Alan even entered the race, and before he did solid wall-to-wall media for the last week.
Betcha those numbers wouldn't hold up to some real polling.
But even if they did, it wouldn't matter. They describe the starting line, not the finish line.
Is your life dictated by polling?
What's the mob going to tell you to do tomorrow?
If you're wrong, that would make you a false prophet. Do we get to stone you?
When your poll numbers are that low they ARE the finish line. The national average for GOP registration is 33%, he didn't even get the party on board.
My life isn't dictated by polls, but a politician's life is, especially when they're running for office. And when you only poll at 28% in a two man race it is OVER. If you get 28% in a pre-primary poll that's survivable. But being 39 points down with less than 90 days left in the race is terminal.
If I listened to the mob mentality I'd be ingoring the importance of principles and supporting the carpetbagger because he's "our guy".
I'm not a prophet, I'm just a political junky whose watched many campaigns fail right out of the gate before.
If you are not a prophet, you should drop the note of certitude. It makes you sound like you think you are.
If you were more of an experienced 'political junkie', you would know that polls change. Many huge deficits are overcome in far less time than is available here.
And again, you are using phony numbers from before he was even a candidate.
Garbage in, garbage out, and all of that.
I will return to torment you later. I have a meeting...
Well stated. The carpetbag issue is such a trivial point, a non-issue.
I have the note of certitude because you can be certain that when somebody can't even get the whole of their own party to say they'll vote for him, and gets NO cross over from the opposition or the independants, and there's less than 90s before the election it's over.
39% deficits are not overcome in under 90 days. That's beyond huge. People who lose GETTING 39% of the vote lose by a huge margin, people that lose BY 39% might as well not even have run. Alan might close the gap some, but there's very little chance he'll top 40% by election day. There's not enough time, the carpetbagger thing is too big, and his arch conservativism is too big a hurtle in Daley country. IF Alan had actually lived there a while so he could be a legitimate candidate and IF he'd been able to start his campaign back in the primaries so he'd have some funds and good name recognition then MAYBE he could have pulled it off. But even then it's only a maybe, without those factors he's toast.
Got better number? Bring 'em. Don't like the only numbers that exist? Too bad.
You don't torment me. You embarass yourself, your need to attack the messenger shows how far people are willing to discard principles for the illusion of victory. You're the one participating in a conversation you consider "last week", if you're tormenting anyone it's yourself. Which isn't a suprise, self flagelation is a tendancy many flame war junkies have.
I'm just returning fire at those who fired first.
I didn't start any flame wars.
I'm just not a political pacifist.
Looks to me like you're the one that is flagellating yourself. I wasn't even here.
Where have I insulted you? You aren't returning fire, you're starting a flame war, you fired first, and you keep firing. Thus proving you know you're position is wrong. If you were right you could argue without insults, like an adult, instead of trying to turn this into a sandlot fight.
And yet you keep returning to a discussion you don't consider worth having. I think this is a fine discussion and well worth having, watching people embarass themselves trying to turn a polite conversation into a flame war because they know they have no actual point is funny.
The people you've sided with made this a war long ago on FR.
You're reaping their fruit.
No actual point?
Illinois Republicans have a candidate, an active one.
Obama has to run a campaign.
Democrats have to expend resources.
Many Republicans are energized who would not be.
At least some possibility exists now to bring Illinois into play for the President.
Conservatives have an opportunity to rebuild their party, a party that has been run into the ground by RINOs.
It is you folks who are pointless in your attacks on a good conservative nominee.
You're functional Obama supporters.
Pointed enough for you?
I haven't sided with anybody. Keyes cannot effectively represent a state he's never lived in. There are no sides to that, it's a simple fact. If he were to somehow win he'd go probably go back to Maryland and commute to DC, putting his entire lifetime Illinois residency at 2 1/2 months, all on the campaign trail. Nobody can effectively REPRESENT a state based on 2 1/2 months residency.
Paying the candidate is perfectly legal.
I guess you only want multi-gazillionaires like Kerry in office.
Modern politics is an all-encompassing pursuit. It is impossible to do it part-time and succeed.
But of course you won't address that, since your only agenda is to attack Keyes and anyone who supports him with distortions and lies whereever and whenever possible.
Another of Obama's waterboys is all you are, whether you will admit it or not.
No actual point.
Illinois republicans have an illegitimate candidate, having passed over actual residents for a "face".
Unless there's a serious change in the polls Obama won't have to run a campaign.
Unless there's a serious change in the polls Democrats won't have to expend resources.
Given that the polls so far don't even show Keyes pulling a percentage equal to the percentage of Republican apparently they are not energized.
Running a carpetbagger for Senate does not put the state in play for the president.
The only way this gives an opportunity to rebuild the party is if the members of the GOP in Illinois are so horrified by this embarassment that they demand major change.
He is no longer a good conservative, he is violating the plainly obvious intent of the founders when they put in a residency requirement. Good conservatives respect the intent of the founders.
Nope still no points. But at least you tried, and almost kept the insults out... almost.
B.S. Alan could represent any state in the union ten thousand times better than any Democrat.
You show your ignorance of how things work. All the Senators live in DC, duh.
And a goodly portion of them haven't owned a home in their 'home state' for years.
The funniest part is that I have seen many try and make this a campaign issue, to absolutely no avail. The voters could care less. It's nothing but partisan insider baseball.
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