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Kerry implied the 16,000 Vietnam deaths of 1968 were Nixon's responsibility, not Johnson's
Kerry Senate speech 1986 [Cambodia] | 08/09/2004

Posted on 08/09/2004 4:38:33 AM PDT by syriacus

It is apparent to many of us that Kerry has been attempting to rewrite history, to make Nixon look like the "bad guy" who caused the most deaths in Vietnam.

Kerry is so eager to make the Vietnam War a Republican war that he cunningly arranged, in his 1986 Senate speech to blame Nixon for the 16,000+ Vietnam deaths in 1968 that occurred while Johnson was president.

Kerry sneakily pushed Vietnam deaths of 1968 from Johnson's column into Nixon's column.

John Kerry - March 27, 1986 Senate Speech (Christmas in Cambodia)

I remember a politician who ran for President in 1968 with the secret plan for peace, and he was elected. ... At the time that he ran there were only 22,000 or so names eligible to be on the wall down there at the Mall. When he finished, there were 58,000.


Here are the Vietnam statistics and you can see for yourselves that about 16,000 deaths occurred in 1968, when Johnson was President.

Year of Death or Declaration of Death Number of Records
1956-1960 9
1961 16
1962 52
1963 118
1964 206
1965 1,863
1966 6,143
1967 11,153
1968 16,592
1969 11,616
1970 6,081
1971 2,357
1972 641
1973 168


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Kerry implies Nixon is responsible for 36,000+ Vietnam deaths. (58,000 - 22,000)

But about 21,000 died in Vietnam while Nixon was president.

Kerry should have compared the number dead when Nixon took office with the number dead when Nixon left office.

Did Kerry deliberately try to make it look like Nixon was responsible for more deaths than Johnson was? Did Kerry deliberately try to make it look like Nixon was responsible for deaths that occurred in 1968?

1 posted on 08/09/2004 4:38:34 AM PDT by syriacus
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2 posted on 08/09/2004 4:39:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: syriacus

" Did Kerry deliberately try to make it look like Nixon was responsible for deaths that occurred in 1968?"

Why not? He has the evil Nixon sending troops into Cambodia that same year, when he was not yet president. Facts, to Kerry, are not stuborn things at all.


3 posted on 08/09/2004 4:42:19 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: syriacus

Better yet, does this mean that Kerry, who has a secret plan for ending the war in Iraq, bears total and complete responsibility for the deaths of soldiers in Iraq?

Would sound accurate to me if he had had his way: start the war, surrender alongside French experts, use no weapons capable of actually killing the enemy, rely on the French for intelligence, ...


4 posted on 08/09/2004 4:43:29 AM PDT by dufekin (John Forbes Kerry: thirty years of experience in treason and sedition against America.)
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To: syriacus

Kerry is a pathological liar.


5 posted on 08/09/2004 4:43:53 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: syriacus

Here are the links to a few of my many John Kerry is a liar posts.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1163131/posts?page=11608#11608

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185436/posts?page=82#82


6 posted on 08/09/2004 4:48:22 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: syriacus
I think we are getting a good idea that "deception" is Kerry's main "strength" as a debater.

Kerry doesn't come out and directly say the 16,000 died while Nixon was president.

But Kerry does his best to make sure people will think Nixon and Nixon's "secret plan for peace" were responsible for all those extra deaths.

7 posted on 08/09/2004 4:50:18 AM PDT by syriacus (Let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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To: dufekin
Better yet, does this mean that Kerry, who has a secret plan for ending the war in Iraq, bears total and complete responsibility for the deaths of soldiers in Iraq?

Good point!

8 posted on 08/09/2004 4:51:27 AM PDT by syriacus (Let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
LOL.

I enjoyed your two links!!

At first, I missed your tip to use the tune "Riders on the storm." I was figuring I should use "Bringing in the sheaves." I know, ears of corn are not sheaves.

On the other hand, maybe


"Bringing in the Skeeves"
would be appropriate.

9 posted on 08/09/2004 5:05:49 AM PDT by syriacus (Let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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To: syriacus

Kerry is a limitless source of comedy material. I wish I had a 30 minute national TV or Radio spot everyday.


10 posted on 08/09/2004 5:13:05 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: syriacus
Kerry is not only a liar, he is an incredibly stupid liar.

And the way he flip-flops makes one wonder who is pulling the strings. Along with that piece of fluff of an ambulance chaser, I can't help but wonder if the Democrats will pull a Toricelli. So what if the deadline has passed. They already found out that the judges will let them flaunt the laws.

11 posted on 08/09/2004 5:21:59 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: syriacus
If you add the 5 years that we were involved in combat while Johnson was in the White House you get 35,957

If you add the five years that we were involved in combat while Nixon was in the White House, you get 20,863.

Which is greater?

12 posted on 08/09/2004 5:28:40 AM PDT by Chapita (There are none so blind as those who refuse to see! Santana)
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To: syriacus

Vietnam was a Kennedy-Johnson disaster that Nixon had tried to salvage but utiimately just attempted clean up the mess that they started. I voted for Goldwater!


13 posted on 08/09/2004 5:36:39 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Bahbah
Why not? He has the evil Nixon sending troops into Cambodia that same year...

This is a curiosity. FR has has numerous threads recently in which Kerry is quoted as saying Nixon sent him to Cambodia, but the Congressional Record just says "the President". Did Kerry say one thing on the floor of the senate and later have his speech "corrected" for the Record?

Such corrections are common. In fact, speeches can be inserted in the Record without taking the trouble to give them, but I wonder if Kerry really Believes Nixon was responsible for the war.

14 posted on 08/09/2004 5:37:04 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: syriacus
The Toledo Blade did the same thing when they did their "Tiger Force" story last year. They conveniently left out any reference to LBJ in their Pulitzer Prize winning series.
15 posted on 08/09/2004 5:41:52 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: js1138

That's a good point. I will have to look around later. Going to work.


16 posted on 08/09/2004 5:44:21 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Chapita
"Which is greater?"

It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

17 posted on 08/09/2004 6:56:54 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Real heros don't leave combat after 4 months, they stay till the job's done.)
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To: anoldafvet

Ha! Wonder where I've heard that before?


18 posted on 08/09/2004 7:50:23 AM PDT by Chapita (There are none so blind as those who refuse to see! Santana)
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To: syriacus
You should also include the in-country troop strengths over those years. You will see a steady decline. JFK and Johnson got us in and Nixon got us out.
19 posted on 08/09/2004 7:56:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: syriacus
About Kerry, Nixon, Cambodia

http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1091820730.comments.shtml

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absudity of almost {being} killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

The SwiftVets state that this quote is from Kerry's October 14th, 1979 article in the Boston Herald.


20 posted on 08/09/2004 11:04:24 AM PDT by syriacus (Let's give a jeer, and 1 jeer more, for the ersatz hero of Swift 94. He IS a flipping man.)
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