Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hillary was on a power trip -- Keyes is on a rescue mission. BIG DIFFERENCE
Pantagraph ^ | Aug. 6, 04 | Churchillbuff

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:03:31 AM PDT by churchillbuff

Stop with the Hillary/Keyes comparisons already (like in the linked oped in the newspaper, the Pantagraph). Hillary was on a POWER TRIP -- she pushed local candidates (Lowy and Andrew Cuomo) to the side so she could have the prize for herself. IN CONTRAST, AMBASSADOR KEYES IS RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP FROM AN IMPERILED ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PARTY. He's on a rescue mission. True, the media in Illinois don't like his decision, they don't want him showing up with a life-preserver - - - but why should he agree with them that the local GOP should be allowed to drown? CONGRATULATIONS, AMBASSADOR KEYES. YOU'VE SHOWN A SENSE OF DUTY BY RESPONDING TO A CALL FOR HELP.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alan; alankeyes; bigdifference; carpetbagging; godfearing; hefearsthelord; heisgood; heisprogun; heisprolife; heissmart; hillary; hitlery; ifearkeyes; illinois; keyes; nodiffernce; polorizing; saveamerica; stophillary
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260 ... 361-365 next last
Comment #221 Removed by Moderator

To: GetZarqawiNow
And as an Illinois voter, I am seriously considering Kohn. Keyes could still win me over, but since he's not an Illinois resident, he's got an uphill battle with me and a lot of other Illinois Republicans.

I respect that.

As I said to dicostu, "I'm not one of those people who kicks and screams at those who vote third-party or who stay home on election day. I say, weigh the pros and cons, and make the choice for yourself. If residency is the litmus test for you, so be it."

If you cannot in good conscience vote for an outsider, then don't. Decide what's most important to you, and vote accordingly.

222 posted on 08/06/2004 5:32:17 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 219 | View Replies]

To: Gelato
Keyes isn't imitating Hillary. She picked a state to run in, created the situation, and invaded New York to get political gain.

"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it." -- Alan Keyes, 2000

He plans on going into a state that he doesn't even live in and pretend to represent the people there. He is imitating Clinton. He is destroying the federalist principles that he pretended to revere.

223 posted on 08/06/2004 5:33:20 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 205 | View Replies]

To: StumpyPete

Keyes is highly critical of the war in Iraq.


224 posted on 08/06/2004 5:34:59 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Lurking in Kansas

Keyes's political viability will end here, and that's a shame. but more than that, is the severe blow that his defeat will deliver to the conservative message.

After this, it will become political fact that a candidate running on a strong pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, pro-Constitution platform will be unelectable, the example being the resounding defeat of a pro-life, pro-second Amendment, pro-Constitution Conservative icon at the hands of a relative newcomer to politics.

Not only that, but I can almost guarantee you that the loss will be blamed on Bush and the RNC, and that the blame game will be in full swing in October/November.


225 posted on 08/06/2004 5:40:01 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Howlin; LS
"Some of you may believe that the Clinton era was the most dangerous era that we faced as Americans and conservatives in the history of our country. I do not believe this. I believe that we are right now in the most dangerous era that we have faced as conservatives in America. And though I know it will be difficult for some of you, the sub-heading of this speech could very well be, "Why I am not a Bush Republican." And I want to make that clear. I want to make it clear from the outset, so you know where I stand and where I'm coming from and so I don't have to pull my punches here because I won't. " -- Alan Keyes, August 25, 2001

226 posted on 08/06/2004 5:44:25 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
He plans on going into a state that he doesn't even live in and pretend to represent the people there. He is imitating Clinton. He is destroying the federalist principles that he pretended to revere.

No, the people have chosen Keyes first, through the party officials. He never planned this. They drafted him. They will decide on November 2 if he or Obama better represents their views.

You know, when Dick Cheney was working for Bush to find him a VEEP, he denied he was in contention for the position. Lo and behold, he ended up picking himself--or so the media characterized it.

He even had to do some residency maneuvering to become VEEP, since he was in Texas, and the Constitution requires the Pres and Vice Pres to reside in different states.

There's nothing wrong with making a false prediction about one's future political office. It happens honestly all the time.

227 posted on 08/06/2004 5:44:34 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 223 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez
Keyes is highly critical of the war in Iraq.

No, that's incorrect. You have bad information.

228 posted on 08/06/2004 5:44:59 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 224 | View Replies]

To: Gelato
Keyes criticizes justification for war, limits on freedom

by Benjamin Perahia
April 17, 2003

Conservative firebrand Alan Keyes criticized the Bush administration's motives for entering the war in Iraq in a speech to about 200 undergraduates at Griffith Film Theater Tuesday.

Keyes-a former Republican presidential candidate who was host of Alan Keyes Is Making Sense, a daily show on MSNBC until it was canceled-defined the conditions in which he said war is legitimate. He argued that a known threat from a foreign country without an attack can be enough to justify military self-defense, but that the Bush administration has failed to pinpoint this as its main reason for its preemptive strike.

He said that calling the offensive "operation Iraqi freedom" implies the U.S. is waging war in order to free Iraqi civilians, which he said would not be a legitimate cause.

"Even good causes don't make war justifiable." Keyes said. "There is only one justification for war and that is to defend yourself."

He said the creation of a democratic state in Iraq and the spreading of American values were also not a just reason to wage war. "If what we are engaged in is a crusade to spread democracy by means of fire and the sword then we are violating our own principles," Keyes said.

He claimed that attempts to create democracy in Iraq would not work, adding that establishing a democracy takes time and involves generations.

"Democracy will not happen when only despotism has come before," he said.

Keyes worked for the United Nations both as ambassador to the economic and social council and as assistant secretary of state for international organizations. He has not been the strongest advocate of the U.N.

"Those of you who know me, know that I am no particular friend of the United Nations," Keyes said.

He did, however, explain the importance of the United Nations as an institution created to foster peace. He faulted President George W. Bush for taking the U.N. route in the first place by renewing the weapons inspection mandate last fall. He added that while it would be lawful according to U.N. resolutions for the United States to defend itself if it recognized a threat, it was wrong for the United States to attack on the basis that Iraq was not following U.N. resolutions.

Keyes argued that a preemptive strike is not necessarily wrong, "so long as it is in the context of a defensive war."

Relativism, he said, has caused people to no longer see terrorists as evil. He argued that terrorism is evil not because of its aims but because of the methods it uses to have its ideologies recognized. Keyes said their use of passenger planes as weapons showed a disregard for the lives of innocent non-combatants.

"We fight an evil that is characterized by disregard for human life," he said "You cannot aim to destroy innocent lives."

He also expressed his fear about some of the reactions to terrorism, like military trials for suspected terrorists, which he said give the president too much power. "In order to be safe from terrorists we create structures that make it impossible to be safe from our own governments," Keyes said.

He urged his audience to think through what was happening to be sure they are not compromising their liberties.

Keyes received a standing ovation after answering questions, and students on both sides of the spectrum reacted positively to the talk, co-sponsored by the Duke Conservative Union and Duke University Union.

"He's an interesting guy. Even when I disagree with him, I find myself being convinced by his eloquence," said junior Jonathan Katz.

When asked about Keyes' criticisms of the Bush administration, Jeff Raileanu, president of the College Republicans, said, "Bush had to make the argument he did to convince people."


229 posted on 08/06/2004 5:47:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 228 | View Replies]

To: Gelato
He never planned this.

But he is still going into a state he has never lived in and pretending to represent the people living there. Why doesn't that violate the federalist principles he pretends to respect?

230 posted on 08/06/2004 5:48:48 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies]

To: Gelato

I am correct, and YOU have bad information.


231 posted on 08/06/2004 5:50:08 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 228 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez
That article, by the student paper in Duke University, is inaccurate.

Keyes has never criticized the justification for war, which was to protect our nation. He critized the PR move of calling it "Opperation Iraqi Freedom."

I know.

232 posted on 08/06/2004 5:54:50 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 229 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez

I can't blame you for believing what you read in a student newspaper. I'll find better info for you in a minute.


233 posted on 08/06/2004 5:55:47 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 231 | View Replies]

Comment #234 Removed by Moderator

To: Gelato

I provided an article quoting Alan Keyes, if "you know" these quotes to not ben true, then you need to provide some sort of evidence, up to and including how "you know" that this newspaper lied.

Put up something to counter the quotes included in the article.


235 posted on 08/06/2004 5:57:54 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Patria, pero sin amo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 232 | View Replies]

To: discostu

"Illinois should find a home grown conservative without sex scandals."

I agree, but we live in an imperfect world.
It's a bit late to whine about the Ill. GOP selection process. We need to support Keyes if you dont want Hawaiian-born Socialist Obama to win.


"Carpetbaggers weren't benign, they were scum seeking power in a vacuum, such people are never needed." That's the confederate view, not reality. They were helpful to building a power-base for blacks in the south and rebuilding states during reconstruction. They were as benign as the pioneer settlers who moved west. Then the KKK terrorized the black community post reconstruction and ran off those supporting their rights. the rest is history. 140 years later, the first race where both major candidates have black ancestry.

This will make it a worthwhile race.


236 posted on 08/06/2004 6:08:49 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 198 | View Replies]

To: Luis Gonzalez
Look at the article again. There is no quote of Keyes criticizing the justification for going into Iraq, which was to protect this nation. Much of the article is the student paper's summary in its own words.

The only quotes in the article are:

"Even good causes don't make war justifiable. There is only one justification for war and that is to defend yourself."

"If what we are engaged in is a crusade to spread democracy by means of fire and the sword then we are violating our own principles. Democracy will not happen when only despotism has come before."

What's missing from the article is Keyes' view that the war in Iraq is, indeed, justifiable for protecting this nation. He even says it didn't matter if the intelligence data on Iraq is correct or not, so long as the president believes it is.

He has recently defended the president on the air on this very issue.

He said, "I am a conservative. I'm part of that group of conservatives in the party who is not altogether happy with G. W. Bush. I see lots of reasons to find fault with steps that he has taken in various areas, but I'll tell you one thing: I think it's time that everybody in this country understand that when we are faced with a threat to our very survival, we put aside other things and we focus on the fact that we have at the helm somebody who is--even if, let us say for a minute that Iraq was a mistake, as some people are trying to argue. I'd rather have a president who errs on the side of defending this country, and going after our enemies, than somebody like John Kerry who wants to sit on his butt and does nothing while Americans die. And I think that's the key issue here."

http://renewamerica.us/archives/media/interviews/04_03_30hannity.htm

237 posted on 08/06/2004 6:10:21 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 235 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
But he is still going into a state he has never lived in and pretending to represent the people living there. Why doesn't that violate the federalist principles he pretends to respect?

Because they drafted him.

238 posted on 08/06/2004 6:13:38 PM PDT by Gelato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 230 | View Replies]

To: discostu

Here's the question nobody is asking themselves: what's gone so horribly wrong for hte Illinois GOP that they have such a short bench?"

that's not the problem. the problem is that the Illinois GOP made a particular decision that you dont like.

I mean get real: Obama is a state-senator fer gosh-sakes, now one wishy washy speech in the Dem's dismal convention and he's the next Abe Lincoln? Why, because he didnt say 'shove it'?!? He called health care a "right", his way of saying he's for Socialized Medicine.

There are many many GOP candidates as qualified as him, who could go head to head against him and beat him, they just need to be aggressive.

"They should at least have some young up and comer they can float for a losing campaign that'll give him name recognition for later."

Wonderful idea.
... I have a better idea: RUN FOR GOP ILLINOIS PARTY CHAIRMAN AND THEN MAKE THOSE GREAT DECISIONS.


Now you had 6 weeks BEFORE the GOP made their decision to call them up and TELL THEM THAT. DID YOU?!?! Do you have a short-list of 'names of folks who should have been nominated for this race'? Did you promulgate it? Did you try to help out *before* the GOP committed to this man and this man alone?!?

Well if you didnt, then griping about them not being psychic and anticipating your desires is a bit pointless NOW, AFTER THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE.

If I had a dime for every pointless "we-can-do-better-than-the-imperfect-leaders" griping monday-morning-quarterbacking perfectioninst-idealist threads chock full of know-it-all armchair generals-partyleaders-presidents on FR, I'd be able to buy a Senate seat.


239 posted on 08/06/2004 6:22:00 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush - Right for our Times!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 202 | View Replies]

To: Aquinasfan

"Obama's pro-abortion. Keyes will stuff the issue down Obama's throat, figuratively speaking, of course."

This is great strategy! Keyes is the best debater I have ever heard. Obama is extremely talented himself and is the Democrat upcoming star.....The debates will be absolutely fun to watch and 10 bucks that Keyes wins on all points at all times.


240 posted on 08/06/2004 6:22:46 PM PDT by savagesusie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260 ... 361-365 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson