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RNC: Response
Dems Extreme Makeover ^ | July 29, 2004

Posted on 07/29/2004 8:31:22 PM PDT by RWR8189

"It's disappointing that John Kerry's frank talk stopped with a discussion of his complexities and failed to include an explanation of his inconsistencies and contradictions on the central front in the War on Terror. John Kerry missed an opportunity to help the American people understand his vote for the war in Iraq based on the same intelligence that the President viewed, his description of himself as an anti-war candidate and his subsequent vote against troops on the front lines. He's right, America can do better."
- Campaign Chairman Marc Racicot

Even before John Kerry has spoken, he is working to distort his own record and the President's. He is engaged in an extreme makeover of his out of the mainstream record.

My fellow Americans, this is the most important election of our lifetime. The stakes are high. We are a nation at war -- a global war on terror against an enemy unlike any we have ever known before. And here at home, wages are falling, health care costs are rising, and our great middle class is shrinking. People are working weekends; they're working two jobs, three jobs, and they're still not getting ahead.

BusinessWeek: Economy Creating More High-Paying Jobs Than Low-Paying Jobs. "According to BusinessWeek's analysis, 40% of American workers belong to occupation/industry groups where the median pay is $559 a week or more. Yet employment growth in those higher-paying groups accounted for well over half of total job growth during the past year. Average monthly employment in the higher-paying groups was 744,000 higher in the 12 months ended in June, 2004, than in the previous 12-month period. By contrast, only 408,000 jobs were added in groups whose median pay was $553 a week or less, even though they account for 52% of total jobs." ("Another Look At Those Job Numbers," BusinessWeek, 7/26/04)

Average GDP Over Most Recent Three Quarters
1996: 3.1% 2004: 5.6%

The Prescription Drug Bill Signed By President Bush Offers A Prescription Drug Benefit Under Medicare For The First Time In History.

Kerry Voted 98 Times For Tax Increases Totaling More Than $2.3 Trillion.

Kerry Voted At Least 126 Times Against Tax Cuts Totaling More Than $5.3 Trillion.

Kerry Has Voted 73 Times To Reduce The Size Of A Tax Cut.

Kerry Voted 67 Times For Smaller Tax Cuts (Democrat Alternatives).

Kerry Voted 11 Times Against Repealing Tax Hikes.

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We can do better and we will. We're the optimists. For us, this is a country of the future. We're the can do people. And let's not forget what we did in the 1990s. We balanced the budget. We paid down the debt. We created 23 million new jobs. We lifted millions out of poverty and we lifted the standard of living for the middle class. We just need to believe in ourselves -- and we can do it again.

In The 1990s, Kerry Voted For The Largest Tax Increase In U.S. History.

Jan-June Average Unemployment
1996: 5.5% 2004: 5.6%

30 year fixed rate conventional mortgages
1996: 8.32% 2004: 6.29%

June Consumer Sentiment
1996: 92.4 2004: 95.2

Kerry Says America Is "In The Worst Job Recovery Since The Great Depression." (Sen. John Kerry, "Statement by John Kerry on New Jobs Numbers," Press Release, 5/7/04)

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As president, I will ask hard questions and demand hard evidence. I will immediately reform the intelligence system - so policy is guided by facts, and facts are never distorted by politics. And as president, I will bring back this nation's time-honored tradition: the United States of America never goes to war because we want to, we only go to war because we have to.

Kerry Was On Senate Select Intelligence Committee For Eight Years (1993-2000).

  • While On Committee, Kerry Missed 38 Of 49 Intelligence Committee Hearings. During John Kerry's eight years of service on the Senate's Select Committee on Intelligence, there were 49 open, public hearings. Of these 49, John Kerry attended just 11 (22.4%). Among the most notable of those he missed is the June 8, 2000, hearing on the report of the National Commission on Terrorism, which warned about the terrorist threat we now face and recommended numerous steps to address that threat (few of which were adopted prior to 9/11/01).

  • While On Committee, Kerry Proposed Over $7.5 Billion In Across The Board Cuts To Intelligence Budget, All Of Which Were Rejected By Democrats And Republicans Alike. (S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/1994; S. Amdt. 1452, Introduced 2/9/94; S. 1290, Introduced 9/29/95)

  • A Look At Kerry's Legislative Record During That Same Time Period Finds No Legislation That Kerry Proposed (Wrote And Sponsored) To Increase Funding For Human Intelligence Or Reform Intelligence Community To Focus Resources On Human Intelligence Gathering.

  • Kerry Touted Being "Way Ahead" Of President Clinton, His Senate Colleagues And Much Of Country In His Support For Regime Change, By Ground Troops If Necessary. ABC's GEORGE WILL: "Senator Kerry, given the fact that we say, on the one hand, he's like Hitler - the most evil man since Hitler, the secretary of state said this week - yet he's not worth fighting for on the ground, fighting against on the ground, is it perhaps time for the United States to quit obsessing about him, say this is a problem we can't solve, and think about other things?" SEN. JOHN KERRY: "Well, first of all, George, I don't believe it's not worth fighting for on the ground. And I think that's your last position, and there are many things you can do. And I'm quite confident you can make his life sufficiently miserable and deprive him of the ability to survive without necessarily having to reach that level. But I'm prepared to go to the level. And the reason is very simple [I] believe he is the kind of threat that has been described. I believe that in the post- Cold War period this issue of proliferation, particularly in the hands of Saddam Hussein, is critical. It has implications for a Qaddafi, for a Sudan, for other countries in the world in the future." WILL: "Senator Kerry, you're way ahead of the commander in chief in this regard." KERRY: "I am way ahead of the commander in chief, and I'm probably way ahead of my colleagues and certainly of much of the country. But I believe this. I believe that he has used these weapons before. He has invaded another country. He views himself as a modern-day Nebuchadnezzar. He wants to continue to play the uniting critical role in that part of the world. And I think we have to stand up to that." (ABC's "This Week," 2/22/98)

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    I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as president. Let there be no mistake: I will never hesitate to use force when it is required. Any attack will be met with a swift and certain response. I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security. And I will build a stronger American military.

    1990-2003: Voted At Least 12 Times Against Higher Pay For America's Hardworking Volunteer Military.

    Kerry Voted For Use Of Force Resolution Against Iraq. Kerry and Edwards voted for the Congressional resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq.

    Senators Kerry And Edwards Are Two Of Only Four US Senators Who Voted For The Use Of Force Resolution Against Iraq And Against The $87 Billion Funding Bill For Our Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan.

  • Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided "Extra Money For Body Armor For Soldiers ..." ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03)

  • Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Increased Combat Pay For Troops. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)

  • Supplemental Funding Bill Kerry And Edwards Voted Against Provided Health Benefits For Reservists And Guardsmen Called To Active Duty, As Well As Support For Their Families. ("Highlights Of Iraq, Afghanistan Measures," The Associated Press, 10/17/03; S. Rept. 108-160, Conference Report On S. 1689, 10/2/03; "FY 2004 Supplemental Request For Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF), And Operation Noble Eagle (ONE)," U.S. Department Of Defense, 9/03)

    Kerry Had Characterized A Vote Against The Funding As "Irresponsible." (CBS, "Face the Nation," 9/14/03)

    Kerry Later Offered A Tortured Explanation Of His Vote Against The $87 Billion To Support Troops In Iraq. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." (Richard W. Stevenson and Adam Nagourney, "Bush's Campaign Emphasizes Role Of Leader In War," The New York Times, 3/17/04)

    Kerry Said He Was "Proud" That He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion In Funding For U.S. Soldiers. (John Kerry, Remarks at "Women's Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)

    Kerry Then Said His Vote Against Body Armor And Supplies For Troops Was "Complicated." (MSNBC's "Imus in the Morning," 7/15/04)

    Kerry Even Said His Vote For The War And Against Funding For Our Troops Was "Not A Flip-Flop." (CBS' "Evening News," 7/21/04)

    Kerry Adviser On Vote Against The $87 Billion Appropriation: "Off The Record, He Did It Because Of Howard Dean. On The Record, He Has An Elaborate Explanation." (Philip Gourevitch, "Damage Control," The New Yorker, 7/26/04)

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    In these dangerous days there is a right way and a wrong way to be strong. Strength is more than tough words. After decades of experience in national security, I know the reach of our power and I know the power of our ideals.

    Kerry's Storied Career Of Opposing A Strong National Defense:

    1972: In Congressional Race, Pledged To "Bring A Different Kind Of Message" By Voting Against Defense Funds. ("Candidates For Congress Capture Campus In Andover," Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)

    1982-1984: Used Lieutenant Governor Position To Lobby Against Reagan Defense Build-Up And Supported Nuclear Freeze Movement. (Senate Candidate Questionnaire, Massachusetts "Freeze Voter '84," 5/25/84)

    1984: Running For Senate, Pledged To "Fight To Cut The Overall Defense Budget." Opposed "annual increases in the military budget above the rate of inflation," and proposed cutting "$200 billion from the defense budget over four years ..." (John Kerry, Letter To U.S. Senate Campaign Supporters, 6/84; "Senate Candidates' Positions," The Boston Globe, 7/8/84; Chris Black, "Kerry Asks Cuts In Defense Outlay," The Boston Globe, 5/30/84)

    1993: Sen. Kerry Proposed Numerous Defense Cuts. Included cuts in number of navy submarines, Army light infantry units and air force tactical fighter wings, plus the immediate retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the armed forces. (S.1163, Introduced 6/24/93)

    1994: Sen. Kerry Proposed $45 Billion Cut In Defense And Science Programs Vital To National Security. (S. 1826, Introduced 2/3/94; Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 2/3/94, p. S807)

    1996: Sen. Kerry Questioned Defense Budget Size: "What Is It That We Are Really Preparing For In A Post-Cold-War World?" (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 5/15/96, p. S5061)

    2001: Sen. Kerry Opposed Push To "Spend More Money On The Military, Which Bush Is Going To Do ..." (CNN's "Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer," 2/25/01)

    1985-2001: Voted At Least 38 Times To Cut, Transfer Or Otherwise Decrease Overall Defense Budget.

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    And the front lines of this battle are not just far away - they're right here on our shores, at our airports, and potentially in any town or city. Today, our national security begins with homeland security. The 9-11 Commission has given us a path to follow, endorsed by Democrats, Republicans, and the 9-11 families. As president, I will not evade or equivocate; I will immediately implement the recommendations of that commission. We shouldn't be letting ninety-five percent of container ships come into our ports without ever being physically inspected. We shouldn't be leaving our nuclear and chemical plants without enough protection. And we shouldn't be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them down in the United States of America.

    Overall Homeland Security Funding Tripled: Since 2001, President Bush has nearly tripled the amount of funds devoted to homeland security. In his 2005 budget, President Bush has called for a $3.6 billion (9.7%) increase over funding levels for DHS from 2004. ()

    President Bush Will Take Action "Within Days." "President Bush is preparing executive orders and a speech detailing his initial plans for revamping the nation's intelligence services, administration officials said Wednesday. He is likely to begin his announcements within days, the officials said." (Mike Allen And Dan Eggen, "Bush May Move Soon On 9/11 Report," The Washington Post, 7/29/04)

    First Responders Funding Up 680%: President Clinton's last budget (FY 2001) provided $456 million for state & local funding. President Bush's FY 2005 budget request allocates $3.561 billion to states & locals. That is a $3.1 billion increase (680%) in funding levels for President Clinton's last budget. President Bush has allocated more than $13 billion since 2001 to state and local law enforcement for use in counter-terrorism preparedness efforts.

    Assistance To Firefighters. President Bush's FY 2005 budget request allocates $500 million for Assistance to Firefighter Grants - a 400 percent increase since taking office. Assistance to Firefighter Grants go directly to local firehouses to increase the effectiveness of firefighting operations, firefighter health and safety programs, new fire apparatus, emergency medical service programs and fire prevention programs. President Bush has already awarded over $1.1 billion in firefighter grants in the last three years. The President's budgets have provided 900 percent more funds for firefighter grants than the previous administration's budgets. ("USFA: Assistance To Firefighters Grants Program Fiscal Year 2003 Recipients," U.S. Fire Association, , Accessed 5/28/04)

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    For four years, we've heard a lot of talk about values. But values spoken without actions taken are just slogans. Values are not just words. They're what we live by. They're about the causes we champion and the people we fight for. And it is time for those who talk about family values to start valuing families.

    Nonpartisan National Journal Scored Kerry's Votes Most Liberal In Senate For 2003. Kerry scored a Senate-high 97% liberal rating for 2003, beating out Sens. Barbara Boxer (91), Hillary Clinton (89), Ted Kennedy (88), and Tom Daschle (80). (National Journal Website, "How They Measured Up," http://nationaljournal.com, 2/27/04)

    Kerry Voted Against The Laci Peterson Law, Known As The "Unborn Victims Of Violence Act." This new law acknowledges a common-sense proposition: When a crime of violence against a pregnant woman kills or injures her unborn child, there are two victims, and two offenses that should be punished.

    Kerry Voted To Allow Federal Money To Be Used To Distribute The Morning-After Abortion Pill In America's Schools.

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    We value jobs that pay you more not less than you earned before. We value jobs where, when you put in a week's work, you can actually pay your bills, provide for your children, and lift up the quality of your life. We value an America where the middle class is not being squeezed, but doing better.

    Kerry Is No Friend Of Middle Class:

    Kerry Voted Against Amendment To FY 2004 Budget Resolution That Would Extend $1,000 Child Tax Credit Until 2013.

    Kerry Sponsored And Voted For Motion To Kill Marriage Penalty Relief For Couples Earning Less Than $50,000 Per Year. "Kerry, D-Mass., motion to table (kill) the Gramm, R-Texas, amendment -- The Gramm amendment would allow couples with combined incomes under $50,000 a year to claim an additional $3,300 income tax deduction, thus eliminating the so-called marriage penalty for those in that income bracket." Sen. Gramm's marriage penalty relief would have saved taxpayers $46 billion over 10 years. The amendment also would allowed self-employed individuals to deduct health insurance costs on their income taxes. (S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea)

    Kerry Voted Three Times Against Repealing The 1993 Clinton Tax Increase On Social Security Benefits.

    Kerry Voted Against The 2001 And 2003 Tax Cuts.

    Kerry Voted Against Eliminating Clinton-Instituted 4.3-Cent Tax On Transportation Fuels.

    In 1995, Kerry Voted For A Resolution That Said Middle Class Tax Cuts Were Not Wise. The sense of the Senate amendment, killed on a motion by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), said, "reducing the deficit should be one of the nation's highest priorities, and that a middle-class tax cut would undermine and be inconsistent with the goal of achieving a balanced budget." (H.J. Res. 1, CQ Vote #67: Motion Agreed To 66-32: R 49-3; D 17-29, 2/14/95, Kerry Voted Nay)

  • Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), Sponsor Of Resolution, Said Senators Need "Will" To Resist Middle Class Tax Cut. (Sen. Russ Feingold, Congressional Record, 2/14/95, p. S2617)


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To: Rhodedust

PING!


161 posted on 07/30/2004 5:34:46 AM PDT by Maigrey (May 19, 2005. Be there or be sith-tory!)
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To: Maigrey

BTTT


162 posted on 07/30/2004 5:40:19 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for catching this and sharing.


163 posted on 07/30/2004 6:02:23 AM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: RWR8189; Grampa Dave; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; ...
RNC: Response

Great article. Thanks for posting this RWR8189.


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


164 posted on 07/30/2004 6:26:10 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Mornin' !


Excellent anti-Kerry video laying out the VietNam case against him...

Great to forward and spread to the public.

http://www.stopjohn.com/movies/hanoi-john.htm


Kerry Fitness Reports in Vietnam Show Him Unfit for Command
(Explodes Central Kerry Campaign Lie)

Kerry’s FITREPs are awash in dings, and some of the reports border on the adverse, particularly his combat FITREPs. The FITREPs convey significant performance problems and suggest problems in conduct, so much so that it is surprising that the campaign chose to release them. This may suggest that the FITREPs held from public view are even more adverse.

In what would customarily be an opportunity for a glowing “swan song” FITREP, the Commanding Officer of USS Gridley (DLG-21) tacitly blasts Kerry on his departure for Swift Boat duty by ranking him significantly below the norm in desirability for virtually every Navy assignment possible -– command, staff, whatever. He is a ship handler who is dinged in ship handling. He is in line for command, but his CO doesn’t want him near the bridge. He is slammed in all performance areas –- most notably and significantly in initiative and reliability. The “nice” narrative emphasizes performance in collateral duties, but in the grades and marks, the CO is telling the selection board and detailer loud and clear that this officer is lazy, unreliable and not suited for command. 3 SEP 68 (W.E. HARPER).




WinterSoldier.com


165 posted on 07/30/2004 6:27:51 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

It made me laugh when Kerry saluted and said reporting for duty. I thought yes but you've been AWOL from the senate and yet you receive your pay anyway!! I wonder if he's thought about donating the pay he has received(that he doesn't deserve) to the military?


166 posted on 07/30/2004 6:35:11 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Howlin

As I said last night on the live thread, Kerry's speech was like speechwriter's welfare for the guys at the RNC.


167 posted on 07/30/2004 6:38:37 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thanks for the ping!


168 posted on 07/30/2004 6:45:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PhilDragoo
Yaaaawn Tax & Kerry gave a great speech last night .The best part of the speech was that he finally admitted that we Republicans have been right all along and abandoned all of his stands. That was a victory for Tax Cuts, Military Strength, Faith and much of our beliefs and phrases. The question is, do you want a person who pretends to be a Republican or a Republican? The speech was long on attacks and promises yet short on details. The most outrageous part of the speech was his continued attack that President Bush lied to the American people and was anxious to go to war. As a US Senator he should raise himself to a higher plane than the looney fringe of his Party.

Being a member in the Senate he knows full well that President Bush did not lie to the American people about the Weapons of Mass Destruction before the war. He knows the classified and unclassified details of both the Senate Intelligence Report and the 9/11 Commission. Both of these Commissions were very heavily staffed by partisan Democrats who had an agenda to damage the President. People like Ben Venista, Gorelick and Bob Kerry who were definitely looking to make the President and his administration into liars. Both Commissions not only did not find any lying by the President or his administration, but could not find any pressure put on the CIA or the FBI by any Administration member. They found the Bush Administration made sure that the CIA worked in complete objectivity to the facts as they were known. The Commissions both found that the President was completely innocent of misconduct in this very serious matter. There was no lying from the President George W Bush’ Administration.

What this means is either the two Senate Commissions are lying or John Kerry is lying. Since John Kerry knows everything the Commission knows and his staff has briefed him before putting in his acceptance speech that the President misled the Country, then the Commissions must be lying in their reports. For John Kerry to be telling the truth when he calls the President a liar is that he knows something that substantiates that statement. Perhaps he can give proof that the President of the United States lied to the American People. Absence that, John Kerry can give proof that the two Senate Commissions wrote false reports to the American People. If not then John Kerry is lying to the American people. According to the facts that have been found on a bi-partisan basis the Truth is, John Kerry is the liar.

Do we need another President that is willing to lie to get elected? If he can lie about a President of The United States telling a monstrous lie, then he can easily lie about cutting your taxes or staying the course in the War on Terror. In a World were the enemy is doing every thing it can to kill a million Americans, we cannot afford to play dangerous games with our country’s security. We cannot afford politicians who will say or do anything to get elected only to find out they were not telling the Truth. This is a time when words mean something and the Truth is all that matters. This is a dangerous World right now and we need a President of principle and integrity and that is what we have in the White House right now. Vote Bush!

Pray for W and Our Troops

169 posted on 07/30/2004 6:50:28 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants your paycheck!)
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To: RWR8189

Wow, great talking points. I'm making a copy of this and keeping it for when Bush bashers rear their heads......


170 posted on 07/30/2004 6:52:26 AM PDT by pctech
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To: All

Kerry wanted a gas tax of 50 cents a gallon. http://www.techcentralstation.com/070604E.html


171 posted on 07/30/2004 6:58:11 AM PDT by anglian
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To: RWR8189; shezza

BTTT! Great response!


172 posted on 07/30/2004 7:07:29 AM PDT by N8VTXNinWV
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To: PhilDragoo
Nice work.


173 posted on 07/30/2004 7:15:43 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind ("I will never relent in bringing justice to our enemies..." - President Bush)
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To: puroresu
The leftists all complained about 18 minutes missing on Nixon's tape.

%%%%%

Another excellent example of leftist hypocrisy.

Kerry has nothing to say for more that 18 YEARS in the Senate
174 posted on 07/30/2004 7:24:12 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: Dolphy

While On Committee, Kerry Missed 38 Of 49 Intelligence Committee Hearings

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Well, he wasn't running for president then. Was he cycling, skiing, windsurfing, throwing a football around? Inquiring minds need to know!


175 posted on 07/30/2004 7:52:34 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: maica

Bump!


176 posted on 07/30/2004 7:52:51 AM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: RWR8189
Democrats and fence-sitters normally will not go to the RNC website, so I hope there is a plan to get this information distributed!
177 posted on 07/30/2004 8:01:15 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Logic n' Reason
Wow, great talking points. I'm making a copy of this and keeping it for when Bush bashers rear their heads......
170 posted on 07/30/2004 9:52:26 AM EDT by pctech

Here's your answer -

Take a minute to email a paper or talk show when you hear one of Kerry's talking points that you want to rebut. If thousands of W supporters become keyboard troops it will begin to penetrate. Write to the paper's ombudsman as well as the editor. Let them know that their version of the news is not the only version.

Most of all, be proud to be a conservative. We have been virtually forced into the PC closet, and that has to stop.

178 posted on 07/30/2004 8:15:21 AM PDT by maica (Hitlary says; "We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good"...)
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To: PhilDragoo

PhilDragoo,Thanks for the ping.That is really good.


179 posted on 07/30/2004 9:26:40 AM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: Grampa Dave; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ...

Have I ever said no? ;-) Hiya, Grampa -- MEGA PING!


180 posted on 07/30/2004 9:33:27 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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