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1 posted on 07/27/2004 9:46:22 AM PDT by JOAT
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Wow... No probable cause? Is won't last..


2 posted on 07/27/2004 9:48:51 AM PDT by Mikey_1962
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Isn't this a violation of the FOURTH amendment? (The oft-forgotten amendment.)


3 posted on 07/27/2004 9:49:25 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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OMG. Is it time yet?


4 posted on 07/27/2004 9:51:37 AM PDT by .38sw
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Seems to me the police comitted a series of Felony Home Invasion Roberies.

I hope the citizens get enough support from gun organizations (and maybe even the ACLU, after all, this is a 4th amendment issue) to bust some ass.

SO9

6 posted on 07/27/2004 9:53:02 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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Over/under on weeks until the inevitable (and totally justified) class-action lawsuit is filed?


7 posted on 07/27/2004 9:53:07 AM PDT by johnfrink
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http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp?s=2064099&ClientType=Printable

Oshkosh
Couple Arrested During Investigation of Police Shooting

By Jerry Burke

It appears detectives have arrested the man they believe shot an Oshkosh police officer Saturday night. The Winnebago County Sheriff's Department says a "man of interest and his wife" were arrested Monday night.

Mark and Kimberly Jungwirth live just a few houses from where the officer was shot. They were taken into custody as they returned from a trip up north. According to investigators, the two left shortly after the shooting.

Witnesses told police Mr. Jungwirth appeared to be under the influence of something.

Both were in court Tuesday afternoon but neither was charged with the shooting. Instead they're charged with manufacturing a controlled substance in their house, namely marijuana.

"As the police were doing their door-to-door search on the night in question, they came upon the Jungwirth house and they found what is allegedly called a growing operation going on," District Attorney Bill Lennon said.

The Jungwirths were free after posting bond Tuesday.

The Jungwirth house became the focal point of the investigation. Police got a search warrant and that's when they found the Jungwirths were allegedly growing marijuana in the basement. The D.A. says that's also when detectives found things that indicate Mark Jungwirth may be the one who fired the shot.

We do know police are looking all over for the bullet that was fired but went through Officer Nate Gallagher's arm. They did find a shell casing in Jungwirth's yard. The D.A. said it's possible someone other than Jungwirth could have pulled the trigger.

"It's fair to say he's a person of interest. He's one of the people we've interviewed, he's one of the people we've gone to seeking some answers," Lennon said.

Jungwirth has hired a lawyer and is refusing to cooperate with police.

We won't know until Wednesday what police removed from the Jungwirth's house. That's when the search warrant will be returned to the Clerk of Courts office.

People in the neighborhood welcomed the latest developments. Neighbor Rick Seefeldt said, "I'm relieved that they possibly caught the guy. I've got two kids, my brother-in-law's got a few kids, and we don't need this kind of stuff running around here."

"I grew up in Oshkosh for about eight years," Seefeldt continued, "and to find out something like this happens on the street in this nice neighborhood, it's just nuts. But I'm glad if they got him in custody. I'm glad if they can solve this whole thing and we can go back to living without fear."


8 posted on 07/27/2004 9:53:07 AM PDT by MediaMole (Microsoft math: 1 inch = 2.4 centimeters)
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Citizens' guns were seized through searches of area homes. The police promised to return the firearms after forensic tests proved they were not involved in the crime.

It's times like this that I wish I were a scum-bag trial lawyer like Edwards. My clients and I would end up owning Oshkosh...

9 posted on 07/27/2004 9:54:04 AM PDT by jscd3
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HOLY CRAP!

The chief should be dismissed and charged with violating the constitution (3 articles that I can think of off the top of my head), and every officer involved in the raid(s) firmly disciplined, if not also charged.

In addition, they should all be required to take a course at their own expense on the US Constitution.

If they can't get a US federal prosecutor to do it, I'm sure the NRA or GOA could find a lawyer or two to launch a major civil action.

I'm stunned by this!


10 posted on 07/27/2004 9:54:32 AM PDT by Don W (It's not our abilities that make us who we are, it's our choices.)
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These cops are IDIOTS! If one of these guns turns out to be the one used to shoot the officer (unlikely), how the hell do they think they're going to keep the case from being thrown out on constitutional grounds? Nothing like breaking the law to solve a crime.


11 posted on 07/27/2004 9:54:40 AM PDT by Oblongata
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I hope the citizens have enough guts to press this all the way, and get some remuneration for the clear violation of constitutional rights these jack-booted thugs perpetrated. That Police Department sounds like it needs a thorough clean-out, from top to bottom.

Apparently they have decided they are a law unto themselves. Time for them to lose their jobs.

12 posted on 07/27/2004 9:55:01 AM PDT by nobdysfool (Faith in Christ is the evidence of God's choosing, not the cause of it.)
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To: JOAT; StriperSniper; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; ...

JACKBOOT THUG ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 07/27/2004 9:55:40 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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If you do no wrong, you have nothing to fear.
The Police are there to Protect and Serve.
It's for The Children.


16 posted on 07/27/2004 9:56:26 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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If you do no wrong, you have nothing to fear.
The Police are there to Protect and Serve.
It's for The Children.


17 posted on 07/27/2004 9:57:13 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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Ladies....you really NEED to see this!!!!


18 posted on 07/27/2004 9:57:43 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset • www.2asisters.org • www.cantheban.net)
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It amazes me sometimes what is posted as "news" in this forum. This is a hyped up press release, bordering on yellow journalism

Here are some different perspectives:

http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/9181806.htm

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=2075608&nav=51s7P4nm

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_16959064.shtml


19 posted on 07/27/2004 9:58:15 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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They are lucky that more officers weren't shot as a result of this illegal activity.


24 posted on 07/27/2004 10:03:18 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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If there's no warrant and no probable cause - and it goes to my place - then I do what I have to do.


27 posted on 07/27/2004 10:05:18 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("If you want a little peace, sometimes you gotta fight" - Sammy Hagar)
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This is an absolute outrage! They are certainly lucky that when illegally breaking into these homes another officer wasn't shot! Whoever gave the order to do this should be arrested and those officers who enacted the order should be arrested also! Talk about constitutional violations!!!!!
28 posted on 07/27/2004 10:05:36 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset • www.2asisters.org • www.cantheban.net)
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"Citizens' guns were seized through searches of area homes. The police promised to return the firearms after forensic tests proved they were not involved in the crime. The injured officer's name was withheld, but media reports indicate his condition is not life-threatening."

And exactly how long could that take? years??


30 posted on 07/27/2004 10:06:30 AM PDT by Jivana108 (Always remember the Lord, Never forget the Lord.....)
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Holy crap.

WWHD (what would howard do?)


36 posted on 07/27/2004 10:14:47 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Shove it John and John!)
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