Posted on 07/20/2004 9:06:44 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
"Thats not Ruth Bader it's Ruth Buzzi!"
Thank you SO much for saying that! I had the same reaction but couldn't exactly place the character and didn't know how I would find her!
According to press reports, the missing documents covered inadequacies in airport and seaport security (in addition to critiquing the handling of the Millennium). Last May, Kerry gave a press conference that was supposed to be about energy - and all of a sudden he started talking about how our seaport security was very poor. So, armed with information in these documents, he could pose as having foreseen various security lapses. He would get a boost if there should be an attack that took advantage of just the shortcomings that he had pointed out for seaports, for example.
He stole actual documents as well. It was the fact that some were missing that alerted archivists to the Bergerler problem.
If you date yourself, you'll never argue over what movie to see.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Very simple. The documents warned of terrorism threats and clinton did nothing. Then he did not tell President Bush.
If this would come out, not only would it show clinton's gross dereliction of duty but it would also take the blame off Bush.
Kerry would not want that.
And me and Ann Coutler...
HOWEVER - weren't some of these files MISSING from the archives, so the 9/11 commission did not have access to them? Maybe Sandy took files AND note cards.
Check out this post.......certainly might be the motivation.
Clarke kept telling 911 Panel that Bush was not serious about terrorism.
From what I've read apparently there were recommendations in the Millenium Report about airlines & seaports which Clinton ignored.
Kerry lies about as well as Clinton.
Their defense sounds hollow; fraudulent and empty. . .
ps. Clinton notwithstanding; it is interesting how close this is getting to Kerry already. . .can only imagine the 'more to come'. . .
And Clarke. . .so many liars; so little time. Hope they put it all together.
Feel a script is being written. . .
>>Not only dating yourself, but displaying a frightening familiarity with good for nothing, dope smoking, American hating, idiot-hippie poets.<<
I plead guilty as charged, also to being a recovering member of the above. I used to be a student radical, now I'm a conservative Republican (communications coordinator for our county's Bush/Cheney committee). We grow.
Yep....I'm wondering this morning if he got a papercut in a sensitive place.....
Owl_Eagle
”Guns Before Butter.”
BTTT!!!
Did you hear what Rush just said [12:50-55 AM Eastern] in relation to this? He commented on what Gordon Smith had to say on the subject also.
You can listen at his website if you don't have access to a radio. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com
If you can't listen, he will no doubt have those comments posted there later on today.
Re: #196: "Yes, I happen to turn on Rush just as he was talking about Kerry's recent pronouncements on seaport security......and the Millennium After Action report mentioned by Ashcroft at the 911 Hearings." ~ JulieRNR21
Here is the transcript of what Rush said. Make sure you scan down to the part where he talks about Gordon Smith. I was getting ready to start another thread with it, but checked and found that another FReeper had already posted it:
Stolen Info Suspected in Kerry Port Security Speech; Burglar NOT "Informal" Advisor
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 7-21-04 | Rush
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072104/content/cut_to_the_chase_2.member.html
Posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:27 PM EDT by hope
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1175906/posts
[Note: You must go to Rush's web site to access the hot linked sources Rush mentions in the transcript I copied below. Hope's thread may or may not link to them - I didn't check.]
BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: From the top, Clinton on down sets the tone for this. I think that's an excellent point, which next takes us to Senator Kerry because Senator Kerry hired this guy, Sandy Berger, to be an advisor. Now we're finding out -- no, now we're hearing, big difference -- we are hearing from the Kerry campaign, (Kerry sing-song voice) "Uh, he was just an infooormal advisooor. I never even saaaw him. I never spoke to him. He rode in the SUVs owned by the faaamily, but they're not mine. I never saw him."
Well, we did a little research here, and Sandy Berger was not "an informal advisor."
It wasn't until Sandy Berger started stuffing his shorts with classified documents that he came to be described as "an informal advisor."
We have some examples from the MSNBC website a while ago: "Kerry himself makes ample use of the former president's name, advisors and record. At a Detroit union hall last week Kerry won his loudest applause when he invoked the Clinton economy. His team of economic advisors led by Roger Altman and Gene Sperling. The same goes for his foreign policy team dominated by Sandy Berger, Clinton's national security advisor, and [Ricky] Holbrooke, his UN ambassador."
Key: "dominated by Sandy Berger," not "informal." That's from MSNBC.
From Foreign Policy magazine: "If a Democrat ousts U.S. President George W. Bush in November’s election, what would the nation’s new foreign policy look like? Take a glance back to the Clinton White House for a clue. Top hands from former President Bill Clinton’s ship stand out among the leading candidates’ foreign policy advisors.
According to the names FP obtained from several campaigns, former U.S. National Security Advisor Sandy Berger is one of the most prominent gurus in the Kerry foreign policy team."
And from the Miami New Times: "Still, Carpenter takes pride in some fresh compromise language about to be added to the platform, a sentence on the war he'd painstakingly hashed out during a late-night meeting with several key Kerry advisers, including Sandy Berger..."
See? He's working on a platform statement. "Key Kerry advisor."
May 28th, the Washington Post describes Sandy Berger as "a top Kerry advisor." (Quoting) "Kerry would not rule out preemptive strikes, nor have past presidents, but he would de-emphasize this option in stated U.S. policy.
Samuel R. 'Sandy' Berger, a top Kerry adviser, said this represents a 'profound difference' between the two candidates," and not only was he "a top key advisor," he's talking to the press about Kerry's positions!
This is not "informal." As I say, Berger only became an informal Kerry advisor when Kerry discovered that Berger has been stuffing things down his pants and he got to be concerned about the "timing" of leaks.
There's even more. This is from a website called Democracy Now, and I think that may be some kook left-wing fringe site. Well, I think they all are, but I think that's the website, is the point.
It says here: "Democratic Party delegates including Dennis Kucinich struck a deal this weekend with representatives of John Kerry over the party's stance on the Iraq war. The deal happened this weekend at the Democratic Party Platform Convention in Miami. Kucinich's delegates withdrew their proposal for a quick withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
The critical paragraph was worked out in negotiations led by Sandy Berger, who was President Bill Clinton's national security advisor," and from Axis of Logic, "Sometime after Senator Kerry's introduction to the New York Jewish community leaders, he decided his choices for envoy were inappropriate.
Instead of Clinton, Carter, or Baker, he now lists Sandy Berger and Dennis Ross as the type of person he would send to the Middle East."
This is not "informal." And at Anti-War.com, another website. "In case of Kerry's victory, Dick Holbrooke would be one of the main candidates for secretary of state, which would probably result in a much more active role of the U.S. in the Balkans. Other candidates are Sandy Berger and Joe Biden."
So, the New York Times is all concerned that this little snafu here will "potentially damage" Berger -- potentially, ladies and gentlemen -- damage Berger's chance to be secretary of state.
There's much more just on this one little research page we did, but it wasn't informal.
You know, a lot of people say, "Okay, why now? Who leaked this?" A lot of people think it came out of the justice department.
But remember, my friends, I told you that the minute John Edwards was chosen as the veep by John Kerry, that the Clinton phasers would be switched from stun to kill.
Just keep this in mind. This does involve the presidential campaign, make no mistake about it -- and make no mistake about something else.
The Clintons do not want Kerry-Edwards to win, for two reasons. A, 2008, but also they need to make sure that Edwards does not rise any higher in stature because he thus becomes a competitor to Mrs. Clinton -- who also, by the way, only wears pants.
BREAK TRANSCRIPT
RUSH: There's another aspect of this, ladies and gentlemen, the missing documents that has a lot of people interested, too, particularly Republican Senator Gordon Smith from Oregon.
Now, it's interesting that Gordon Smith is out speaking on this because he never speaks on anything.
He speaks on the Senate floor, but you never see Gordon Smith actually joining the political us-versus-them fray, and yet he has done so.
One of the documents that Berger looked at and is missing, reviewed terrorist plots to disrupt the millennium celebrations, and it is said to pinpoint the many vulnerabilities in homeland defenses -- and this was during the Clinton administration, and that may be one of the reasons that they, the Clinton people, wanted this document out of there.
But beyond that, Senator Gordon Smith claimed that there is "a curious connection" between the removal of these documents and the Kerry press conference on port security, which took place last December 17th.
Kerry also made news with a big press conference on port security back in May of this year. I got a note from one of my subscribers at 24/7, reminding me that I had said something some time ago, and I think it was about this port business, when Kerry made a big speech about our vulnerabilities. Oh, I know. This was recent.
Kerry has refused intelligence briefings, remember that?
Thank goodness my fertile mind comes alive. Kerry refused intelligence briefings, and he didn't care and wasn't interested in them. He had to pick his vice president, and then he had to go listen to Whoopi Goldberg's raunch fest, and yet he's out there telling us of our intelligence problems.
And I remember saying, "Well, who's telling him this stuff? If he's not getting briefings from the U.S. government, where is he getting these briefings? Where is he learning about port security problems?" because he was specific about it.
And this is another area that people are interested in.
Could it be that the documents that Berger took out were shared with Kerry?
And that's what makes this relevant to the presidential campaign. It's one thing to take 'em out of there. It's another thing to start sharing them with people.
Now, we know that Clinton knew what was in the documents. So Berger wasn't going in there to find out something for Clinton, and when he went in there he was "informal."
We now know that's not true. He was a foreign policy advisor to Kerry, and he went ahead and testified before the 9/11 Commission knowing full well what he had done.
So there are a lot of people wondering now if what was in the documents that Berger saw and in perhaps the documents that now cannot be found, if some of that information made its way to the Kerry campaign to give him some leg up on things.
That would be another criminal violation.
It's one thing to take it out of there. It's another thing to disseminate it.
I think that's what's got Gordon Smith. Gordon Smith does not join these frays, but he did yesterday, along with Saxby Chambliss, the Republican senator from Georgia.
END TRANSCRIPT
Listen to Rush…
(…reveal the research that shows Berger wasn't an informal Kerry advisor)
Read the Articles...
(MSNBC: Kerry: Looking to Clinton for a Helping Hand)
(Foreign Policy: Revenge of the Clintonites)
(Miami News Times: Bickering Not Allowed)
(WP: Kerry Vows to Rebuild Alliances, Confront Terrorism)
(NY Times: A Kerry Adviser Leaves the Race Over Missing Documents)
See #198
See this, too:
Rescued: Data the Kerry/Edwards Campaign Tried to DELETE from its site! (grandpa dave found cache) Google Cache ^ | 7-21-04
Posted on 07/21/2004 1:58:33 PM EDT by jmstein7
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1175720/posts
NOTE ALSO: Use the keyword, "SOXGATE" (or click on it in a thread) to find all threads pertaining to Berger.
All that has been amassed so far can be found here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-soxgate/browse
bttt
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