Posted on 07/12/2004 6:33:46 PM PDT by sc2_ct
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The so what is this: The original poster was using 1968 Chicago to show how violent demonstrations at a Nominating Convention hurt that party and helped the other. The problem with the analogous projection is that the only way his theory would work is if the reverse were to prove true. In this case if the public sees images of violence at the NYC convention, and reacts the same way as in 68 then it is the dems who benefit....think maybe that's what they have in mind?
Good idea. The camera doesn't lie. That would be the absolute best defense. Pics must be distributed en masse.
We're at war but luckily we're still using the ballot box.
Perhaps we better start acting like it's a war by getting more of our "soldiers" to vote and recruit more troops. In this "war", the majority will win.
Yep. You said it. I agree. Not enough people are getting involved.
"You can make a difference. I survived the LA riots. These people are pure cowards. Go ahead and confront them. Shame them. It's like pouring water on the Wicked Witch of the West."
I'd much rather set them on fire. Why do Police have to show restraint for people who obviously don't intend to protest peacefully? If the NYPD feels that lives are being threatened, they should be allowed to shoot them down.
Never forget that the Kent State jerks were throwing pieces of cinderblock concrete at Fire-Fighters arriving on scene to put out the flames that the protestors started.
"Any Marines in the audience who'd like to 'mingle' with the protestors?"
LOL. I would not be able to control myself. Really though, it would be sweet if we could set up an organization to play with these bozos. Intercept them on Metro rail...
"Campaign Bush should begin the mantra now calling for Kerry to call off the goons"
More specific: "Kerry, call off your Brownshirts"
Take a look online - there may be a blog or a Wiki or something where peopl epost about free wireless internet access in some areas - for example, I have a list of several hundred places in the seattle area where there is free wireless internet available...
Something like that might work. Often, you can be outside the establishment and have access...
Just something to think about :0)
None of the stuff being discussed as potential leftist tactics - with the possible exception of the gunpowder body-rubs to throw the bomb-dogs off (that's a new one to me) hasn't been in their game book for at least 30 years.
At the Hampton Beach (NH) riots in the '60's the mob was breaking out windows and scaling the bigger pieces at Police like frizbees, along with bricks and whatever else they could pick up.
That's about the time when the 12-ga. Mod.1200 Winchester riot guns of the State Police opened up and drove the Crowd down the street and into the Atlantic Ocean, where blood and salt water interacted most wonderously. Not many sharks up this way, or it could have been even more entertaining; I guess those young hooligans put up a pretty good howl as it was. They tell me that the local medics were picking #6s out of hippie tushes and legs for quite some time afterwards - But Hampton never got that bad again.
We notice that many if not most of the "Rent-A-Mob" rioters come equipped with gas masks and helmets; I would not be surprised if a lot of them are wearing kevlar body armor as well.
Traditionally, it's these "pros" who whip the useful idiots into a frenzy and direct things, keeping a bit to the rear to supervise the front ranks most of the time like an Infantry NCO. But if they detect a point of vunerability they will take it, with sometimes lethal results to an Officer. Even back in the '60s we were told that some of the leftist cadre were being clandestinely sent over to North Korea or Russia for "special training" in 5th collumn operations here at home. Being out of the business for some time, I can only speculate where such advanced training might have taken place more recently, but I would strongly suspect that it is someplace over in the Middle East.
Mobs, BTW, make excellent cover for terrorist operatives - or can provide lots of distraction for the defense.
And don't we know that this Convention will provide any Islammonazi Jihaddists in the area with a "target rich environment"?
I would hope that the good guys occupy the high ground - in this case the rooftops in order to keep a good scoped eye on things. As soon as one "lesser" tactic like the marbles or throwing rocks is tolerated, rentamob is very apt to escalate to the next higher level of force, until they provoke defenses into countering with force of some sort.
Then the cameras record all of ONE SIDE of the action for the media's consumption (or for the ACLU to use in Court afterwards) in order to create an impression of "Police brutality". They will show, for example, a LEO high-sticking (very unprofessional, imho)a demonstrator, but the public will NOT see (or at least would not in pre-FREEPER days)that same puke moments before scaling a clipboard sized chunk of broken glass at that same LEO's neck.
No doubt a few of NYFDs finest will be standing by with charged hoses; that has historicly been a fairly effective way to cool hostile mobs down a little. I'd suggest about 150PSI in a 3" line to start out with. Direct the stream low - takes their legs right out from under their butts quite nicely, and you can just mow them down and stack 'em up rank after rank. After a while, all they want to do when you let them get back up is run away.
An excellent field-testing environment should present itself for some of those "non lethal weapons" systems previously mentioned, and I hope that they all get a thourough work-out in the course of their evaluation.
Personally, I hope that the first puke who pulls out a slingshot gets dropped on the spot with a .308 like a bad habit. They can kill you with one of those things, and inflict serious wounds from quite some distance away.
But we both know that won't happen, don't we?
The mob and the media would be screaming bloody murder, and use it as an excuse to sack and pillage the whole bloomin' City - or as much of it is they could.
So I would expect that someone is going to have to get seriously wounded - or worse - with a slingshot before they start treating them as the deadly weapons they certainly can be.
Be very careful when dealing with these RentaMob thugs; they will intentionally try to provoke you into a confrontation, then will *selectively* document / film whatever goes down in order to prosecute or sue you later. Most of these mobs have photographers, Lawyers, and "professional wittnesses" assigned / distributed throughout the mob in order to do just that, and they sure know how to pervert the law to suit their agenda.
Commie Counsegleri will know just which Judges in the District are sympathetic to their cause, and will see to it that you are hauled before same for persecution if they can lure you into getting physical, or even using forbidden "hate-speech".
And while disruptive / destructive demonstrators will be granted mercy in abundance and in most cases walk with a suspended sentence or small fine (unless they seriously hurt or killed somebody), you needn't expect any.
As previously suggested; as many cameras as can be employed by Patriots willing to participate may come in very handy in capturing the events that the left will not wany anyone to see or hear.
We have technology at our disposal; USE IT. They sure will, and you can bet on that.
Evidence that you collect may well help a Police Officer keep his or her job and avoid financially devistatiing litigation.
If anyone lives in or has access to "high ground" over the scene, a video cam with telephoto lens and directional mike might be effective from a window.
I would strongly suggest, however, letting the LEOs in the area in on your plans first, or you are apt to feel the crosshairs of a Sniper's scope tickling the back of your neck as you lean out the window. As a matter of fact the NYPD might appreciate an offer of access to a strategic high point overlooking the scene from an Owner or Tennant.
Once they know that you want to help cover them, I don't suppose they'd mind too much - but that is, of course, NYPDs call entirely.
This promises to be an interesting Summer.
Excellent angle. I agree. Campaign Bush should begin the mantra now calling for Kerry to call off the goons. If done well it becomes a no-win for Kerry and Bush can't lose. The worst possible outcome is the goons behave and they accuse Bush of being a Chicken Little. That's a lot better than riots at your convention.
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It can start immediatley after the DNC convention, when the news will NOT have riots to report.
One difference in your analogy was that the protestors in Chicago in 1968 were not Republican supporters, trying to disrupt the DNC convention. They were hard-core leftists protesting the DNC platform. They made visible how out of control the Dem leadership was, leading voters to choose a never-liked but perceived as more adult Nixon choice (even with the ridiculous choice of Spiro Agnew as veep.
This time the anarchists in NYC will be seen as leftists, who trashed Seattle and Genoa and how have tried to trash every city hosting pro-capitalism meetings for the past ten years.
Their behavior will not turn voters toward the Kedwards.
Ahhhh... the momories - I got to do this in the Navy against Enviromenal Whackos... lot of fun. Heh heh heh...
Oh, how I wish. Folks around these parts don't care much for anarchists.
subterfuge from Orlando
no, I don't think it will help the Dems. But we could do more with this to put Kerry on the spot.
You offer VERY useful information.
THANK YOU!!!
I think ten years from now historians will begin remarking on exactly when the Democratic Party began to implode.
This stuff, if it occurs, will cause massive "blowback" against the Democrats come November.
Ronald Reagan claimed that libertarianism is the heart and soul of conservatism.
I didn't make an analogy, I disputed a previous one made by another poster.
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This time the anarchists in NYC will be seen as leftists.....
Unless the press decides to show pictures of cops and/or NG in riot gear with darkened visors and clubs in their hands as the bad guys and the rioters as victims. I've done crowd control in NYC that was covered by the media. To say that they got it backwards would be to understate.
Sounds like conspiracy, and a RICO matter to me...
the infowarrior
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