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VOTERS HAVE A CLEAR CHOICE (Oklahoman Editorial -- MUST READ)
The Oklahoman ^ | July 11, 2004 | Mark Green

Posted on 07/11/2004 8:25:50 AM PDT by PhiKapMom

Voters have a clear choice

Mark Green, The Oklahoman
July 11, 2004

WASHINGTON - Thanks, John Kerry. Bring it on!

You've made sure the months leading up to the quadrennial presidential derby will be exciting and no holds barred. As they say, that's entertainment.

Kerry is indeed pro-choice. His selection of fellow senator John Edwards to be his running mate means we will have clear ideological choice in November. The namby-pambies who always complain about the lack of contrast between Democrats and Republicans can just shut up. Houston, we have contrast!

Even now voters are awakening from their four-year slumber to an eye-gouging, hair-pulling contest in the making. Editorialists and pundits are happy, their troughs filling with choice fodder. Vice President Dick Cheney has been spotted thumbing through a thesaurus, searching for new verbs and adjectives to employ in the upcoming veep debate.

Now, the safe pick for Kerry would've been someone like Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt or Sen. Bob Graham of Florida. Both are old war horses who would pass the experience test a significant hurdle for Edwards, who looks 23 and hasn't yet completed a full term in the Senate. Either Gephardt or Graham also would've given the Democrats a shot at a key toss-up state.

That's fine, but those two would've been bor-r-r-r-r-r-ring.

Instead, Kerry went for sizzle and as a byproduct, the country gets a clear, unmistakable election ballot variety.

By now probably everyone knows John Kerry is numero uno in the Senate when it comes to liberal pedigree, put there by the nonpartisan National Journal. According to the publication's analysis of voting records, Kerry is more liberal than Hillary Rodham Clinton, even more liberal than Teddy Kennedy. But guess what? So is John Edwards!

Edwards comes in at No. 4, which means the two of them together average out at 2.5. That's way, way out there. You have to flip back to Mondale-Ferraro (1984) or McGovern-(Eagleton)-Shriver ('72) to find a tandem as liberal. I think it's safe to say the Democratic Party's strategic, centrist tack under Bill Clinton was a detour. And it's over.

Terrific!

Democrats trying to reside in the moderate middle just confused voters, anyway. They were like the folks who move into the neighborhood and immediately decorate the front yard with an old junker on cinder blocks.

Again, the Naderites and Greens and Mugwumps can't complain that the two national tickets are just alike. Not this year.

Republicans will go with a team that is Reagan conservative. Democrats are decked out in Great Society retro. Lots of choice, little echo.

Look at the major issues. Tax-cutters vs. bigger spenders. Free traders vs. thinly veiled protectionists. Family values vs. gay marriage. On foreign policy, the Bush doctrine of protecting U.S. interests first is matched against the Kerry doctrine of first checking with the United Nations to see if protecting those interests is OK.

Edwards is a pretty face, a syrupy drawl and a compelling life story. But he's also like Alka-Seltzer to the Electoral College watchers in the GOP, who were worried sick that Kerry would pick Graham, gift-wrapping Florida's 27 electors for the Democrats and making Bush's re-election pretty dicey.

Edwards doesn't really deliver any state to Kerry. For every vote in North Carolina or Louisiana gained by the aw-shucks drawl, there'll be two or three lost when folks see that most of Edwards' positions get a big hug from Michael Moore.

Edwards' trademark "two Americas" speech plays well before red-meat Democratic audiences, but it just sounds goofy and conspiratorial to the average bear in America. As one business community rep said on a national radio talk show this week, there are two Americas: the one that works to create wealth, and the one that works to redistribute it.

Most Americans are glad there are rich people in this country, because they themselves want to be rich some day and are working toward it. Most don't believe the rich got rich by victimizing the rest of us, one of the central themes in Edwards' "two Americas" rant.

In a way this smells like a Republican set up. Those rascally Republicans! They won a nail-biter in 2000, and they've watched with glee as Democrats stayed angry indeed, got angrier. Now it appears the Dems have given in to their fury by trotting out a far-left ticket.

This is as clear a choice as America has seen in two decades. I think Republicans are glad Democrats did them this favor.

Green is national editorial writer for The Oklahoman.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: clearchoice; edwards; kerry; liberals
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To: SuziQ

Thanks SuziQ. I agree.


121 posted on 07/11/2004 12:00:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SuziQ

I agree with those comments. That's just one of the main reasons why I come down on illegal immigration the way I do. If just ten of that million plus that came over the border last year were hopeful terrorists, wouldn't it be best to stop the illegal flow.

The terrorists do indeed wish to crush our religion, behead behead our citizens christian or not, and kill our children. Even at best, remember what these loathsome individual's plans would be for our daughters. I doubt they receive better treatment than their own daughters get.


122 posted on 07/11/2004 12:05:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

Why did you wait until a mismanagement of energy policy and the State budget to recall Davis? Why wasn't Bill Lockyer recalled when he advocated for the plaintiffs? Where was Superman/Lone Ranger/Underdog Tom McClintock during this outrage?

Why do you choose to bring in illegal immigration as a modifier to your "I'm not voting Reform Party/Badnarik in November" faux Bush support on this thread?

Regarding your heroic history of GOP support: I have noted on this forum that the most vociferous critics of George W. Bush's inhuman betrayals qualify their attacks with stories of walking neighborhoods the size of a Wolverine's "home range" knocking on doors for him in 2000.

Yep. Sure they did.


123 posted on 07/11/2004 12:10:39 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
I didn't launch the effort to recall Davis, so you'll have to address your question to the people who did.

As for myself, I don't have the time to spend my days organizing and driving an effort like the recall.  I will support it as much as I can, but I simply can't make a living and hold down that job too.  I guess we can chalk this up to one more aspect of an issue you simply can't comprehend or identify with.

I said I was voting for Bush/Cheney this fall.  As for my addressing illegal immigration, I support the U.S. Constituion and U.S. law both of which speak out against illegal invasion.  Let's add those two more issues to the ones you've already admitted you can't comprehend.

Oh I'm not sure I'd call it heroic, but I have voted for the Republican candidate for President every year but one.  My vote could have been had that year as well, but honoring the U.S. Constituion and U.S. law on one issue didn't matter enough to the candidate in 2000.

Evidently you don't appreciate my efforts for Bush being what they were in 2000.  That's an interesting intimation for such a devout Bush/Cheney supporter.

I've addressed your issue, and at this point it's clear you're not going to acknowledge the validity of my comments.  Why don't you wrap this up with one more futal attempt to best me, and we'll call it a day.


124 posted on 07/11/2004 12:30:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: PhiKapMom

Tax cutters v. big spenders? Not true. Dubya is one of the biggest spending presidents in decades.


125 posted on 07/11/2004 12:33:25 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Mike4Freedom

Yes, Mike. Vote for Badnarik! Ain't a dime's worth of difference between Dubya and Kerry though I would guess that Kerry would not spend as much because the GOP in Congress might finally grow a background it it was back in opposition.


126 posted on 07/11/2004 12:34:44 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: DoughtyOne
when all recourses are controled by democrats.

Gee, ya think maybe THAT'S your problem?

How in blue blazes did that happen DoughtyOne? On your citizenlywatch moreover.

By the way, the systematic "I'm planning to vote for Bush in November DESPITE (insert litany of evil betrayals)" routine is the preferred modus operandi of oily anti-Bush operatives and internet con artists.

127 posted on 07/11/2004 12:35:54 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Grampa Dave

LOL! That's hilarious!


128 posted on 07/11/2004 12:40:51 PM PDT by alwaysconservative ("The difference between Edwards and Cheney is that Dick Cheney can be president." W)
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To: PhiKapMom

Wonderful mini-rant! Thanks, as always, for the pings, and for laying it on the line as you have so succinctly done.

YOU GO, GIRL!


129 posted on 07/11/2004 12:42:43 PM PDT by alwaysconservative ("The difference between Edwards and Cheney is that Dick Cheney can be president." W)
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To: Gabz
There sure are.

130 posted on 07/11/2004 12:42:56 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (I am the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER ! haha !)
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To: Grampa Dave
LOL !! That is hillarious, Grampa !

In a sign that Mr. Kerry’s unwanted embraces may be taking their toll on the newly-minted vice-presidential candidate, Mr. Edwards departed from his prepared remarks, telling hs audience, “There are two Americas – one that gets to grab ass, and one that gets its ass grabbed.”


Pic by PhilDragoo .....


131 posted on 07/11/2004 12:48:28 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (I am the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER ! haha !)
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To: Barlowmaker
It's more than my problem.  It's the nation's problem.  That may seem like a trite response to you, but as a last fall-back positioin, I expect our federal officials to bring this state into compliance with sound values.  The Presdient swears an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.  That constituion states the he and the other federal officials must protect the states against invasion.  Either a person honors the U.S. Constitution or they don't.  It's rather clear which side you've chosen to come down on.

Well, I guess a simpleton could make the case that it's my fault that my state is heavily represented by democrats at the top.  I guess it's Ronald Reagan's, Jim Robinson's, Bob Dornan's, Dana Orhbacher's, Jim Rogan's...  oh heck there's enough shame to go around, right?

As for the 'rountine' as you call it, it's also the preferred modus operandi of people who actually know what the U.S. Contitution says, and wish our leaders would adhere to it.

132 posted on 07/11/2004 12:49:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: MeekOneGOP

Just remember, he made that $50 million by defending the little guys. You know, the one's without any money.


133 posted on 07/11/2004 12:51:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: sinkspur

Terrific tag line, and soooooooooo true!


134 posted on 07/11/2004 12:54:19 PM PDT by alwaysconservative ("The difference between Edwards and Cheney is that Dick Cheney can be president." W)
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To: PhiKapMom
It seems to me the democrats may be trying to lose this election to open the door wide for Hillary in '08.

What else can explain this "no-experience" ticket? Most Americans aren't stupid enough to vote these clowns in, and they know it.
135 posted on 07/11/2004 12:55:51 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: DoughtyOne
I guess it's Ronald Reagan's, Jim Robinson's, Bob Dornan's, Dana Orhbacher's, Jim Rogan's... oh heck there's enough shame to go around, right?

When the aforementioned become active participants in the spate of "George W. Bush is the Less-Than-Wonderful Wizard of OZ" illegal immigration threads around here I'll include them in my comments.

Until then, I'll just focus on guys like you who eagerly insert the contentious issue into unrelated threads and actively participate in the designedly putrid FR threads.

The demagoguing of the vital challenges facing border security and immigration control is a concerted and ugly campaign by a few on this forum, and it's not intended to bring honorable enlightenment or solution to the issue. The issue, rather, is framed to marginalize this site and the Conservative mission. Toward the subversion of Bush electoral victory in November. A Brigadier should understand that energy.

And that ... is ... that.

136 posted on 07/11/2004 1:03:11 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Mike4Freedom

That's backbone, not "background."


137 posted on 07/11/2004 1:03:12 PM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: DoughtyOne

You did make your support for Bush/Cheney clear, and I apologize if you felt offended by my post. I started to address you, and ended with a response to others on this thread who seem to have fallen off the wagon. There was an implication that you had joined them that should NOT have been there.

I hope that you will accept what I said as substantial agreement with you - I did intend it that way, but got distracted.


138 posted on 07/11/2004 1:07:45 PM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: PhiKapMom
"My mini rant for the morning."

You left of center moderates won't win over us Conservatives by calling us names. The Kennebunkport frat boy could have had our votes had he taken his oath of office to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America seriously. Instead he has sided with Feinstien, Clinton and Schumer on their anti-2nd Amendment jihaad and signed a bill (CFR) he himself said was un-Constitutional.

No man that breaks the oath of office will get my vote. It's that simple.

139 posted on 07/11/2004 1:10:53 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: ohiocreek
where on earth do you get the notion he favors tighter immigration controls?

Those are not my words, it was from a poll I took..

140 posted on 07/11/2004 1:15:51 PM PDT by The Mayor ( The cross of Christ reveals man’s sin at its worst and God’s love at its best.)
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