Posted on 07/10/2004 4:48:57 PM PDT by MadIvan
Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Muslim cleric currently on a controversial visit to Britain, believes that female rape victims should be punished if dressed "immodestly" when assaulted.
The 78-year-old Egyptian-born scholar, allowed into the country despite his open support of Palestinian suicide bombers and his extreme views on homosexuality, says that women can be guilty of provoking a sexual attack if their dress or behaviour arouses a man.
Dr al-Qaradawi's views on rape appear on a website called IslamOnline, which purports to give a modern interpretation of Islam. He is the website's chief scholar and leader of a group of Islamic academics who provide answers to questions posed by Muslims on moral issues.
One question asked: "Are raped women punished in Islam?" A panel, headed by Mr al-Qaradawi, replied: "To be absolved from guilt, the raped woman must have shown some sort of good conduct . . . Islam addresses women to maintain their modesty, as not to open the door for evil.
"The Koran calls upon Muslim women in general to preserve their dignity and modesty, just to save themselves from any harassment.
"So for a rape victim to be absolved from guilt, she must not be the one that opens . . . her dignity for deflowering."
The disclosure of Dr al-Qaradawi's views follows controversy over his public support for suicide bombers in Israel and his extreme interpretation of Islam on the subjects of wife beating and homosexuality.
Dr al-Qaradawi, who is based in Qatar and is the head of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, has stated that wife beating is allowed under Islam. "It is permissible for him [the husband] to beat her lightly with his hands, avoiding her face and other sensitive parts," he said.
The website describes homosexuality as perverted, abominable and a corruption, and states that homosexuals can be executed by either burning or stoning.
But Dr al-Qaradawi's comments were condemned as "appalling" by rape victims and support groups yesterday.
Jill Saward, who was raped in 1986 in a vicarage in Ealing, west London, when she was 21, said that the cleric's attitude allowed men to escape responsibility for their actions. She told The Sunday Telegraph: "I do not condone what Dr al-Qaradawi is saying at all.
"Men are very quick to condemn and shift the blame but invariably they know what they are doing and that it is wrong.
"Blaming women for rape is not facing up to the problem at all. It is men who are in charge and according to his view of the world they have a wonderful situation where they never lose and it is always going to be the woman's fault."
Ms Saward, 38, who is married with two children, said that what women wore and how they behaved should not have any bearing on whether a man was guilty of rape.
"We have got to the point where our society says 'take what you want'. Men feel like they can do that, regardless of what the woman wants and then argue that 'No does not really mean No'."
Lynne Harne, the spokesman for the Truth About Rape campaign, said: "I think that Dr al-Qaradawi's comments are absolutely appalling. Such an attitude should not be tolerated."
She added: "These kind of views simply promote violence against women, which is prevalent enough."
Jenny Jones, a London Assembly member who has campaigned against Dr al-Qaradawi's visit, said that he should not have been allowed to speak in Britain.
"His views are appalling and are deeply offensive," she said. "I've spoken to many Arab women who believe that he should never have been allowed here and certainly does not represent Muslims."
The Crown Prosecution Service was sent a dossier of evidence last week from Sir John Stevens, the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, outlining the cleric's extreme views ahead of his visit, but he will not face prosecution.
"We have advised the Metropolitan Police that there is insufficient evidence that a criminal offence has been committed," the CPS concluded.
Henry Grunwald QC, the president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said that he regretted the decision not to prosecute. He said: "Al-Qaradawi's past speeches and statements show the true nature of the man and we stand by our view that he should not have been permitted to enter the UK."
Dr al-Qaradawi yesterday attended a conference of the Muslim Association of Britain in Kensington, west London, where delegates voiced their support for the cleric.
Yusra Khreegi, a spokesman for the association, said that Dr al-Qaradawi's views had been distorted and misinterpreted deliberately by the "media and Zionist organisations".
"It has been very unfair and upsetting to see what has happened over the last few days," she said.
"Mr al-Qaradawi is actually a modest and open man and very well respected within our community. He is also one of the most open-minded Muslim clerics in the world. If the media destroy him then we'll be left with only extremists like Sheikh Abu Hamza."
Peter Tatchell, the leader of Outrage, the gay campaign group, said: "Mr al-Qaradawi blames women who are raped for provoking the sexual assault. Giving a platform to him is an insult to women as well as to Jewish and gay people because he endorses wife beating and sanctions the killing of homosexuals and Jews."
Yup, very convenient for the Islamic male. Sort of getting, eating and keeping their cake all at the same time.
Prairie
I'd sure like him to TAKE a hit in Paris.
Or anyplace else, for that matter.
"Yet Mohammedanism is "chic" among leftists..."
Yeah, but from the sound of things, Islam is NOT so approving of homosexuality...that MAY throw a kink in things, since a lot of leftists seem to be very supportive of that lifestyle:
"The website describes homosexuality as perverted, abominable and a corruption, and states that homosexuals can be executed by either burning or stoning."
In Dr. al-Qaradawi's eyes, Bill Clinton raping Juanita Brodderick was Juanita Broddericks fault.
A copy of this book might have been useful:
THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. See tagline for link.
Have you checked out Prophet of Doom yet?
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
Tells it like it is. Most muslims never read the koran, and certainly are discouraged from reading a biography of the 'prophet' - if they did, islam would be dead.
Indoctrination into islam begins with the first breath. The father must whisper a verse from the koran into the baby's ear...and it never stops, it's a lifelong process.
Never argue with a muslim. It's a waste of time. Their brains are scrambled. It's beyond them to understand that our laws are not Biblical. That we have separated church from state. And they are still looking for where, does it say in the Bible, we should have Christmas Trees, and chocolate eggs at Easter. Santa Claus, where does it say that?
It's beyond them to understand how a culture might have a festival or a celebration that isn't 'of the book' or written as an hadith...as theirs are. Every action, every move they make is proscribed and follows upon the life of the 'prophet' - who, when he urinated, shook his willy four times; and that means, to a muslim, how one does it.
Remember, to a muslim, mohammad is considered to have been 'divine and 'sinless' therefor every foul act he committed must be emulated. Discussion with a muslim is pointless. All one can do is research and understand. Knowledge is power.
Exactly why I find their love for Mohammedanism so ironic.
suggest you read the books by the Caner brothers (Turkish Muslims who became Christians) Not Mohammed nor any other human being is divine, to the Muslims. They are so uncertain of salvation, based on a weighing of works, that Mohammed said he did not know if he would go to heaven. False modesty, one suspects.
It is true that Muslims strive to emulate Mohammed, and many believe he is above criticism in everything he ever did. But not divine.
Mrs VS
Yet Mohammedanism is "chic" among leftists...
This is because Leftists (above all) want Power. They hate Western civilization because concepts like liberty, freedom of thought, etc stand in the way of them holding Power. Therefore, anything that chips away at the fabic of the Western traditions (be it Feminism, Homosexuality, Communism, or Mohammedanism) is to be promoted.
Beg to differ. His message needs to be plastered across every newspaper, tv screen, magazine, whatever. The people that shove the false premise that islam is a religion of peace down our throats neeed to be made to explain.
Well, now Brits can't say they weren't warned about the nature of the beast. These people are nuts. Well, you all know the drill. Islam has lobotomized Arabs. This is why no civil rights, no modern life, culture, knowledge, learning, literacy. PC thinking isn't going to protect Britain, far from it.
Okay, okay. I rephrase.
"We in the west should not have to put up with this sort of abominable creature entering our countries." Let him shout his message from elsewhere. As a woman, I find this sort of man beneath contempt. Religion of peace, my left foot.
Maybe I could write that more clearly. Muslims are taught that everything mohammad did was sinless and divine, because his instructions came straight from the mouth of allah to his ears.
If I wrote; mohammad is considered 'sinless and divine' I mean that his actions were seen as such. Not the man himself. But aren't we splitting hairs here?
The biography by Sell shows just when and how and why the various verses in the koran were 'revealed'. Without that knowledge, any discussion of islam is meaningless.
I do not seek to make muslim converts to Christianity. My interest is purely historical.
The correct answer of course does not lie in the Old Testament...The correct answer lies in the New Testament...we are saved by grace...more over Paul instructs frquent;y that the Law is done away with precisely because the Messiah came and lived the perfect life and then was crucified ( by his stripes we are healed) and on the third day rose again. Perhaps you should have merely used either of the credes to argue with this idiot.
ON THE NET...
ISLAM ONLINE.net -- "Ask The Scholar"
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/browse.asp
ISLAM ONLINE.net -- "Live Fatwa" (Archives)
http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa/english/oldresult.asp
Is it the argument, in this case, that it is OK for girls to barely dress themselves and make all types of innuendos and half promises to young guys? And if they get raped, as a consequence, they do not bear even the slightest share of the blame?
The liberal feminazis are suffering from the chronic, "public swimming pool mentality"; (rather than telling parents it is their duty and responsibility to teach their kids to swim, activists just demand that more life guards should be added to "keep the kids safe" after a tragedy).
This liberal group-think thing is so easy to get sucked into. The feminests loudly proclaim, "But it wasn't her fault, because no matter what she said or did, she should never be attacked."
Unfortunately, these days, this is the blank check that America's young girls are being offered. The pro-sex crowd is lying to our kids by telling them that they may taunt and tease and that they will be safe, because any one who responds aggressively will be punished.
These liberal spokespeople, including lesbian Lynne Harne, are failing to mention to the girls that tempting teenage and college-age boys is like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun.
In other words, no matter how wrong rape is, girls who dress and act like sluts are still taking a very big risk when they flaunt and taunt.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Islam being flawed, either. Modesty is based on simple common sense.
Dr. Laura couldn't have said it better!
says that women can be guilty of provoking a sexual attack if their dress or behaviour arouses a man.
Mat 5:
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."
and "rightly divided".
All textual studies of this sermon fro the Nazarene stress that Jesus is in fact telling the people listening to him that He is there to fulfill the law...whixh was my point in the first place. Those who are followers of the Nazarene are no longer under the law...and that part comes later in the book. The other point is that no HUMAN is capable of fulfilling the law...thus alluding to His divine nature.
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