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Police state, ho!
Razormouth.com ^ | 6/28/04 | John Whitehead

Posted on 06/29/2004 9:27:45 AM PDT by ksen

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To: Independentamerican
Why did he just not give his darn name.

I don't know. Does it matter? He was exercising what we thought was our Constitutional right to be silent and to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

I do believe that alot of our rights are being slowly eroded but is it not largely due to the times we live in ?

That's really no excuse.

The Constitution lays out our rights as being inalienable. I take that to mean forever, not over a specified period of time.

21 posted on 06/29/2004 9:43:29 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: cinFLA

So are you perfectly comfortable with a potential President Hillary exercising the powers the government has currently taken for itself?


22 posted on 06/29/2004 9:45:09 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen
After all less than 50 were enough to keep President Clinton's power grabbing relatively in check.

Huh. And a GOP majority wasn't enough to convict him on articles of impeachment. More of the same won't change a thing.

23 posted on 06/29/2004 9:45:24 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: ksen

It is long past enough if you believe in a free republic.


24 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:25 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: ksen

It is long past enough if you believe in a free republic.


25 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:32 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: ksen
Are you saying we are in as much danger now as we were during the Civil War?

We're facing a very different issue - but it is quite dangerous.

26 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Don Joe

Thought I'd lower you blood pressure with this ping..;-)


27 posted on 06/29/2004 9:47:34 AM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: Romulus

That should show that just because someone has an "R" after their name doesn't mean they should automatically get our vote.


28 posted on 06/29/2004 9:48:09 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: neverdem

You can say that again. ;^)


29 posted on 06/29/2004 9:48:39 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: dirtboy
We're facing a very different issue - but it is quite dangerous.

Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

30 posted on 06/29/2004 9:50:22 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen

60 is needed for filibuster proofing the Senate. With 60 the judges would have been appointed.


31 posted on 06/29/2004 9:50:53 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Hitler? Stalin? The left has a tough decision as to who they would rather emulate.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

And how many of the judges leading the charge towards a police state were appointed by Republicans?


32 posted on 06/29/2004 9:52:23 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; 300winmag

Ping!


33 posted on 06/29/2004 9:53:18 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: dirtboy

Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.


34 posted on 06/29/2004 9:53:30 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: ksen
So are you perfectly comfortable with a potential President Hillary exercising the powers the government has currently taken for itself?

Please post my post that you responded to and your response together so that everyone can see how your response bears no relationship to what I posted.

35 posted on 06/29/2004 9:57:15 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ksen
Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Please document how the Patriot Act shredded the Bill of Rights. Most of the Patriot Act took laws that applied to criminal investigations and applied them to terrorist/national security investigations. If anything, keep much of the Patriot Act, as it applies mostly to suspected foreign agents, and look at some of its precursors that are more prone to target innocent American citizens.

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

Personally, I think there are some problems with the Patriot Act that will not be solved with hyperbole and alarmism, but instead by sober, careful examination and reasoned debate. For example, some folks claim that that Patriot Act allows for warrantless searches without probable cause - however, a suspect must first be determined to have probable cause that they are a foreign agent. That standard is established through E.O. - but it should be legislated. But there is still a judicial hearing before the searches can take place.

Other parts of the Patriot Act are more in line with broader erosions in privacy. Others are good ideas - allowing roving wiretaps makes sense in an age when perps can just get another cell phone with ease.

36 posted on 06/29/2004 9:57:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Protagoras
Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.

Another day and another socialist 9th CC ruling overturned. Seems to be a trend forming. Two for Two last week. Doesn't look good for the medical marijuana scam case coming forward.

37 posted on 06/29/2004 9:59:00 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Protagoras
Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.

I am simply framing the debate. Too many folks run around acting as if the Founders never intended for national security issues to allow curtailment of rights. And that simply isn't true.

Once that matter is addressed, then we can look at the issues as to whether they make sense and whether the security benefits of a proposal or law outweight the incursions of rights, and what safeguards are needed, or if the law is just not right. But when the alarmists get going full speed, they tend to drown out reasoned debate.

38 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:03 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: ksen

60 to vote through Dubya's judicial choices without interference from Mrs. Clinton and her ilk.


39 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:29 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: dirtboy
Personally, I think there are some problems with the Patriot Act that will not be solved with hyperbole and alarmism,

They don't want to solve the problems, they want to dump the Patriot Act, Bush and Ashcroft.

40 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:31 AM PDT by cinFLA
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