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Police state, ho!
Razormouth.com ^ | 6/28/04 | John Whitehead

Posted on 06/29/2004 9:27:45 AM PDT by ksen

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To: ksen
I'll ask again, Do you see anything we should be concerned about?

Yes.

61 posted on 06/29/2004 10:17:22 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Protagoras
I don't know who the "alarmists" are or what you concider alarming.

There is a considerable alarmism industry out there that distorts every piece of legislation that comes along. I used to buy into some of it until I learned to do some research of my own.

I do know that the government didn't have the guts to declare war

Congress authorized the action against Iraq. The Constitution does not specify the means of declaring war, just that Congress should do such. Congress approved the action, and that's what matters.

and that the suspension of rights will never go away. The "war on (some) terror" will never be over as long as politicians can derive power and control from it.

I used to think that the war on terror was a bunch of hype prior to 9/11. I was wrong. Apparently some folks didn't get the same lesson I did. If you want to debate specifics on legislative actions, fine. But too many folks just wail and moan while failing to offer concrete alternatives or acknowledging the fact that we were friggin' attacked by people who were in this country. And that it could happen again, in a far worse manner. The oceans don't protect us the way they used to.

62 posted on 06/29/2004 10:17:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: dirtboy
...we were friggin' attacked by people who were in this country.

And how did they get into this country?

63 posted on 06/29/2004 10:20:12 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: cinFLA
Please show me where I am wrong.

It's not up to me to prove a negative.

64 posted on 06/29/2004 10:21:19 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen
And how did they get into this country?

Through stupid immigration laws. And that's another subject entirely, that we don't enforce our border security properly, which means we're still not very serious about counterterrorism.

65 posted on 06/29/2004 10:21:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Right.Uh..Just a figure of speech.


66 posted on 06/29/2004 10:23:06 AM PDT by myword
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To: Independentamerican
"Why did he just not give his darn name."

I agree. The argument that, because this guy had to give his name, our rights are being eroded is silly.

If you get stopped by a cop while driving your car, you are not only required to give him your name, but your driver's license. This is nothing new - old Larry was just being a nutcase.

67 posted on 06/29/2004 10:23:30 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: ksen; sheltonmac
When was the last time Habeas Corpus was curtailed?

Lincoln suspended it during the War Between the States. Many of Lincoln's actions during the war, including the imposition of an income tax were later ruled Unconstitutional.

It could be argued that California Attourney General Earl Warren and later President Roosevelt suspended it with the internment of American Citizens of Japanese ancestry during the Second World War. The irony is that many of these American Citizens couldn't speak a word of Japanese, and were 4th generation American Citizens.

68 posted on 06/29/2004 10:23:34 AM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord (I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
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To: ksen
"Please show me where I am wrong.

It's not up to me to prove a negative."

Typical response when you are unable to support your allegation.

69 posted on 06/29/2004 10:24:43 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Protagoras
"do know that the government didn't have the guts to declare war"

Didn't need to. The terrorists declared war on us way back in 1993. It wasn't until Bush came along that anything was done in response to the acts of war committed against us.

70 posted on 06/29/2004 10:25:19 AM PDT by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name? (Conan O'Brian))
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To: ksen; cinFLA
Please excerpt the opening post and show how your comment has anything to do with the topic at hand.

You should be familiar with this poster's tactics by now...he rarely stays on topic, and has an unhealthy obsession with drugs.

If you are against privacy invasion by cops, you must be in favor of giving crack cocaine to 7-year olds.

Or some such nonsense.

71 posted on 06/29/2004 10:29:12 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
You should be familiar with this poster's tactics by now...he rarely stays on topic, and has an unhealthy obsession with drugs.

Please show where I have gone off topic or mentioned drugs in this thread. hmmm.

72 posted on 06/29/2004 10:30:29 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ksen

It was enough a long time ago, but what are we supposed to do? The government and those entities concerned ignore the citizens and the Constitution. The media is complicit in destroying the interests of America. We put scumbag communists in positions of power, then act surprised when they refuse to do what's right. They are people without conscience and without loyalty to this nation. After awhile, the people stop beating their heads against the wall. This is the face of the new slavery. It is a monster that refuses to be controlled. It has taken on a life of its own and is possessed and empowered by the devil himself. Can it be stopped? Only by the grace of God and the repentance of the nation. I don't see that happening any time soon.


73 posted on 06/29/2004 10:30:30 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Good-night sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.")
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To: ActionNewsBill
If you are against privacy invasion by cops, you must be in favor of giving crack cocaine to 7-year olds.

When you can't stay on topic with facts you result to slur attempts.

74 posted on 06/29/2004 10:32:11 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Please show where I have gone off topic or mentioned drugs in this thread. hmmm

Post # 44

"Seems to be a trend forming. Two for Two last week. Doesn't look good for the medical marijuana scam case coming forward."

75 posted on 06/29/2004 10:33:49 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: sweetliberty
We put scumbag communists in positions of power, then act surprised when they refuse to do what's right.

You are confused. The 'scumbag communists' are the judges in the 9th CC that the USSC overturned.

76 posted on 06/29/2004 10:33:55 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ActionNewsBill

Only referring to Libertarian USSC cases which is the thrust of this thread.


77 posted on 06/29/2004 10:35:36 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ActionNewsBill

Please show where I have gone off topic or mentioned drugs in this thread.


78 posted on 06/29/2004 10:37:26 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
When you can't stay on topic with facts you result to slur attempts.

cinFLA Logic:

If you are against having to give the police your ID while minding your own business, you must be a Libertarian.

Therefore, since you are Libertarian ,you must be in favor of giving crack to 7 year old kids.

Donn't try to deny it. It's your modus operandi around here.

Oh, I forgot to mention George Soros...If you are against police demanding your ID, you are being paid by Soros to post your commie propaganda here.

79 posted on 06/29/2004 10:39:40 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ksen
What I'm seeing is a lot of panic over nothing. If you read the actual decision you'd see that all this ruling did was uphold a law in Nevada that states that it is unlawful to withold your name if asked by a police officer in the process of conducting an investigation. It does NOT give police officers the right to randomly and routinely ask people their name then arrest them if they don't comply.
80 posted on 06/29/2004 10:40:31 AM PDT by TruBluKentuckian
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