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To: dirtboy
We're facing a very different issue - but it is quite dangerous.

Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

30 posted on 06/29/2004 9:50:22 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen
Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Please document how the Patriot Act shredded the Bill of Rights. Most of the Patriot Act took laws that applied to criminal investigations and applied them to terrorist/national security investigations. If anything, keep much of the Patriot Act, as it applies mostly to suspected foreign agents, and look at some of its precursors that are more prone to target innocent American citizens.

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

Personally, I think there are some problems with the Patriot Act that will not be solved with hyperbole and alarmism, but instead by sober, careful examination and reasoned debate. For example, some folks claim that that Patriot Act allows for warrantless searches without probable cause - however, a suspect must first be determined to have probable cause that they are a foreign agent. That standard is established through E.O. - but it should be legislated. But there is still a judicial hearing before the searches can take place.

Other parts of the Patriot Act are more in line with broader erosions in privacy. Others are good ideas - allowing roving wiretaps makes sense in an age when perps can just get another cell phone with ease.

36 posted on 06/29/2004 9:57:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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