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Police state, ho!
Razormouth.com ^ | 6/28/04 | John Whitehead

Posted on 06/29/2004 9:27:45 AM PDT by ksen

Police state, ho!
by John Whitehead
6/28/04

With each passing day, America is inching further down a slippery slope toward a police state. Soon, we’ll have picked up so much momentum that there will be no turning back.

Incredibly, not too many people appear concerned. Bombarded by media images and a mind-numbing entertainment culture, people seem to be so distracted that they do not even realize that our civil liberties are slowly and stealthily eroding away.

Yet the signs of a police state are everywhere. They have infiltrated all aspects of our lives, from the mundane to the downright oppressive. We were once a society that valued individual liberty and privacy. But in recent years we have turned into a culture that has quietly accepted surveillance cameras at traffic lights and in common public areas, drug-sniffing dogs in our children’s schools, national databases that track our finances and activities, sneak-and-peek searches of our homes without our knowledge or consent and anti-terrorism laws that turn average Americans into suspected criminals.

In our post-9/11 world, government officials have effectively used terror and fear to subdue any public resistance to legislation like the Patriot Act, which embodies the heavy-handed empowering of government intrusion into our lives. Our police officers have become armed militias, instead of the civilian peacekeepers they were intended to be. Now, even average citizens—those that should have nothing to fear or worry about—are becoming unwitting targets of a government seemingly at war with its own people. Understandably, fear and paranoia rule the day.

Now with the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent ruling in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, we have reached yet another milepost on our journey to a police state. A majority of the high court agreed that refusing to answer when a policeman asks “What’s your name?” can rightfully be considered a crime under Nevada’s “stop and identify” statute. Nineteen other states already have similar laws on their books. No longer will Americans, even those not suspected of or charged with any crime, have the right to remain silent when stopped and questioned by a police officer.

The case arose after Larry D. Hiibel, a Nevada cattle rancher, was arrested and convicted on a misdemeanor after refusing to tell his name or show identification to a sheriff's deputy. By requiring individuals to identify themselves on pain of arrest, this ruling turns Americans innocent of any wrongdoing into immediate suspects. Indeed, it is hard to ignore the similarity to the police states found in countries like China and North Korea. It can only be a matter of time before we are required to carry identification at all times. With all the talk of digital chips and national IDs, it may not even be so far-fetched to think that someday our slightest movements will be tracked by government satellites.

We are fast becoming the police state that Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tx.) warned against in his June 2002 address to the House of Representatives. His words painted a chilling portrait of a nation willingly allowing itself to be monitored, tracked, fingerprinted and controlled. “Personal privacy, the sine qua non of liberty, no longer exists in the United States. Ruthless and abusive use of all this information accumulated by the government is yet to come.”

“It’s the responsibility of all of us to speak the truth to our best ability,” cautioned Paul, “and if there are reservations about what we’re doing, we should sound an alarm and warn the people of what is to come.”

Although the alarm has been sounded repeatedly from critics on all sides of the political spectrum, is anyone listening? If they were, every piece of legislation that tightens the government’s stronghold on American citizens would be considered an affront to freedom. And every court decision that weakens the right of each American to privacy and to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures would be considered an attack against individual liberty.

Politicians love to boast about how far we’ve come since 1776. Yet sadly, we seem to have lost the love of freedom that laid the groundwork for the American Revolution. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 have further confused the situation. In fact, it is common to hear both our elected officials and citizens state rather bluntly that it’s time to relinquish some of our freedoms in order to feel more secure.

This kind of sentiment was completely foreign to those who founded this country. Obviously, those who fought the arduous battles to preserve our freedom had a different concept of what a society should be and what it meant to be a good citizen.

Vested with the deep-seated belief that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, those who founded America took a courageous stand for their right to freely pursue life, liberty and happiness. And when their outcries were ignored by Great Britain, they declared that “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government.” This led to the drafting of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It has been said that on a sunny day in Philadelphia in 1787, just after the Constitutional Convention had finished its work, a woman approached Benjamin Franklin and asked, “Mr. Franklin, what kind of government have you given us?” “A Republic, madam,” Franklin quickly answered. “If you can keep it.”

I only hope that we have the wisdom and the courage to keep it.


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To: Independentamerican
Why did he just not give his darn name.

I don't know. Does it matter? He was exercising what we thought was our Constitutional right to be silent and to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

I do believe that alot of our rights are being slowly eroded but is it not largely due to the times we live in ?

That's really no excuse.

The Constitution lays out our rights as being inalienable. I take that to mean forever, not over a specified period of time.

21 posted on 06/29/2004 9:43:29 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: cinFLA

So are you perfectly comfortable with a potential President Hillary exercising the powers the government has currently taken for itself?


22 posted on 06/29/2004 9:45:09 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen
After all less than 50 were enough to keep President Clinton's power grabbing relatively in check.

Huh. And a GOP majority wasn't enough to convict him on articles of impeachment. More of the same won't change a thing.

23 posted on 06/29/2004 9:45:24 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: ksen

It is long past enough if you believe in a free republic.


24 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:25 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: ksen

It is long past enough if you believe in a free republic.


25 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:32 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: ksen
Are you saying we are in as much danger now as we were during the Civil War?

We're facing a very different issue - but it is quite dangerous.

26 posted on 06/29/2004 9:46:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Don Joe

Thought I'd lower you blood pressure with this ping..;-)


27 posted on 06/29/2004 9:47:34 AM PDT by TomServo ("I'm so upset that I'll binge on a Saltine.")
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To: Romulus

That should show that just because someone has an "R" after their name doesn't mean they should automatically get our vote.


28 posted on 06/29/2004 9:48:09 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: neverdem

You can say that again. ;^)


29 posted on 06/29/2004 9:48:39 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: dirtboy
We're facing a very different issue - but it is quite dangerous.

Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

30 posted on 06/29/2004 9:50:22 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: ksen

60 is needed for filibuster proofing the Senate. With 60 the judges would have been appointed.


31 posted on 06/29/2004 9:50:53 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Hitler? Stalin? The left has a tough decision as to who they would rather emulate.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

And how many of the judges leading the charge towards a police state were appointed by Republicans?


32 posted on 06/29/2004 9:52:23 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: Sam Cree; Corin Stormhands; g'nad; 300winmag

Ping!


33 posted on 06/29/2004 9:53:18 AM PDT by ksen (Free the GRPL 3! (Woody, CaRepubGal, Wrigley))
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To: dirtboy

Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.


34 posted on 06/29/2004 9:53:30 AM PDT by Protagoras (government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem." ...Ronald Reagan, 1981)
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To: ksen
So are you perfectly comfortable with a potential President Hillary exercising the powers the government has currently taken for itself?

Please post my post that you responded to and your response together so that everyone can see how your response bears no relationship to what I posted.

35 posted on 06/29/2004 9:57:15 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: ksen
Dangerous enough to shred the Bill of Rights?

Please document how the Patriot Act shredded the Bill of Rights. Most of the Patriot Act took laws that applied to criminal investigations and applied them to terrorist/national security investigations. If anything, keep much of the Patriot Act, as it applies mostly to suspected foreign agents, and look at some of its precursors that are more prone to target innocent American citizens.

Personally I think that the more we disregard the Constitution trying to fight the terrorists the more they win.

Personally, I think there are some problems with the Patriot Act that will not be solved with hyperbole and alarmism, but instead by sober, careful examination and reasoned debate. For example, some folks claim that that Patriot Act allows for warrantless searches without probable cause - however, a suspect must first be determined to have probable cause that they are a foreign agent. That standard is established through E.O. - but it should be legislated. But there is still a judicial hearing before the searches can take place.

Other parts of the Patriot Act are more in line with broader erosions in privacy. Others are good ideas - allowing roving wiretaps makes sense in an age when perps can just get another cell phone with ease.

36 posted on 06/29/2004 9:57:44 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Protagoras
Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.

Another day and another socialist 9th CC ruling overturned. Seems to be a trend forming. Two for Two last week. Doesn't look good for the medical marijuana scam case coming forward.

37 posted on 06/29/2004 9:59:00 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Protagoras
Another day and another defense of the suspension of rights. Seems to be a trend forming.

I am simply framing the debate. Too many folks run around acting as if the Founders never intended for national security issues to allow curtailment of rights. And that simply isn't true.

Once that matter is addressed, then we can look at the issues as to whether they make sense and whether the security benefits of a proposal or law outweight the incursions of rights, and what safeguards are needed, or if the law is just not right. But when the alarmists get going full speed, they tend to drown out reasoned debate.

38 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:03 AM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: ksen

60 to vote through Dubya's judicial choices without interference from Mrs. Clinton and her ilk.


39 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:29 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: dirtboy
Personally, I think there are some problems with the Patriot Act that will not be solved with hyperbole and alarmism,

They don't want to solve the problems, they want to dump the Patriot Act, Bush and Ashcroft.

40 posted on 06/29/2004 10:00:31 AM PDT by cinFLA
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