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Helen Thomas: Let's Keep Religion Out Of Presidential Race
The Boston Channel/ Hearst Syndicate ^ | June 23, 2004 | Helen Thomas

Posted on 06/24/2004 7:24:12 AM PDT by presidio9

Let's keep religion out of the presidential election campaign. Or is it too late?

Not since 1960 when John F. Kennedy's Catholicism was a big issue has religion played such a prominent role in a national election.

Kennedy confronted the issue head-on when he appeared before the Presbyterian Convention in Houston during the campaign and assured the ministers that he would not be taking orders from the Vatican if he were elected.

Last Friday, the nation's Roman Catholic bishops gave priests the option of denying communion to any politician who supports abortion rights. The bishops issued a statement declaring that lawmakers who support abortion rights are "cooperating in evil."

The bishops' policy affects Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., a Catholic and former altar boy who is the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

Kerry has sought to make it clear that he is a secular politician who doesn't want to be viewed through a religious prism.

"I am not a spokesperson for the church and the church is not a spokesperson for the United States of America," he said recently. "I'm running for president and I'm running to uphold the Constitution which has a strict separation of church and state."

The divisive question of the role of church and state in public life rose again at the funeral of President Ronald Reagan when his son, Ron Reagan, took a sharp dig at President Bush.

Reagan's comments came during the burial ceremony at the Reagan Library in Ventura, Calif., following a long day of eulogies for the late president during which Bush had described Reagan as a religious man.

While his father was "deeply and unabashedly religious," his son said, "he never made the fatal mistake of so many politicians -- wearing his faith on his sleeve to gain political advantage."

Ron Reagan admitted that after the 1981 assassination attempt on the president, his father began to believe his life was spared for a purpose.

"But he accepted that as a responsibility, not a mandate," said Reagan. "And there is a profound difference."

Asked later if his remarks were intended to be critical of Bush, Reagan said: "If the shoe fits."

Bush has reportedly sought political support from the Vatican for his opposition to gay marriage, according to the National Catholic Reporter newspaper.

The president appealed to Vatican officials on his trip to Rome earlier this month "to encourage American bishops to take a more active role in promoting their shared social agenda," particularly against gay marriage, the newspaper reported.

The newspaper said Bush had made the request to Cardinal Angelo Soldano, the Vatican's secretary of state, "for the Vatican's help in encouraging them to be more outspoken."

Such activities could run afoul of the church's tax-free status that bars participation in political affairs.

The Bush campaign also is working to cultivate some Protestant groups, particularly Southern Baptists.

A born-again Christian who has placed a religious imprimatur on many aspects of his public life, Bush sometimes gives the impression that he is on a Messianic mission.

When Bob Woodward, the Washington Post writer, asked Bush if he ever sought the advice of his father, President George H.W. Bush, the younger Bush replied, "There's a higher father I look to."

Bush has gone farther in pushing religion than his predecessors by creating a "faith-based" office in the White House. The office is devoted to funneling federal funds to religious charities in competition with traditional government-sponsored social programs.

Bible classes are held weekly in the White House compound. Bush supports the Christian right's policies on such issues as abortion, gay marriages, the withholding of funds from international family planning groups and stem cell research.

Bush was raised in an Episcopalian household and became a Methodist when he married Laura. But his religious fervor grew the guidance of the Rev. Billy Graham and conservative friends who helped him stop drinking.

It will be a sorry state if the voters have to decide which candidate is holier than thou, rather than which candidate stands for the best policies.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: helenthomas; irreligiousleft; ogress; orc; repulsive; ugly; uglytothebone; uglytroll; witch
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To: cricket

Helen Thomas is proof that God has a sense of humor........


21 posted on 06/24/2004 7:31:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (Semper Fidelis.......To God, Corps and Country..........................)
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To: MadIvan; smith288; RightthinkinAmerican; exile; cardinal4; Nonstatist; IamConservative

22 posted on 06/24/2004 7:31:27 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

Good God man I'm eating!


23 posted on 06/24/2004 7:31:36 AM PDT by bad company (This space For Rent)
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To: petercooper

#14. Can you make a slight change to the picture?

Can you add wanabe under "B*d *SS on her baseball jersey.

FReegards, D2


24 posted on 06/24/2004 7:32:11 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: presidio9

I find that quite interesting, as Helen and her other lefty friends have been jumping up and down for four years about George Bush's beliefs. If they want to stop bloviating about "the Religious Right," that's fine with me. But I won't hold my breath.


25 posted on 06/24/2004 7:33:27 AM PDT by Inkie (Surround Fallujia and start shooting.)
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To: bmwcyle
Let's keep Helen out of the race.

Lets keep "ugly" out too

26 posted on 06/24/2004 7:33:45 AM PDT by woofie ( 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

27 posted on 06/24/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by nutmeg (God bless President Ronald Reagan)
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To: snooker
"New improved title ... "Kerry has an abortion problem with the Catholic church"."

Yes, much better and to the 'truth of the matter'.

It is clear who has injected religion into the political debate and worse, 'piety' as well. Would like to know, how often Kery attends Church, when NOT campaigning and there are no cameras following him.

28 posted on 06/24/2004 7:34:00 AM PDT by cricket
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To: presidio9

Every time you post a Helen Thomas picture, God kills a puppy.


29 posted on 06/24/2004 7:34:21 AM PDT by ICX ("My Life" was Clinton's second choice title, after "I Am God, and You Are All My Subjects." - AC)
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To: Red Badger
"Helen Thomas is proof that God has a sense of humor........"

. . .for sure a wicked one at that!

30 posted on 06/24/2004 7:35:46 AM PDT by cricket
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To: ICX
Every time you post a Helen Thomas picture, God kills a puppy.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!

31 posted on 06/24/2004 7:35:54 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Its noteworthy that the two biggest shills for the left are Michael Moore and Al Franken..)
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To: presidio9

Evidently this little troll doesn't realize the Catholic Church is not beholden to the government of the United States and can make its own rules in regards to who gets to partake and who doesn't.


32 posted on 06/24/2004 7:36:02 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: presidio9
Dear Helen--we did just that recently, and ended up with the bulbous, dope smoking, intern porking, terrorist pardoning, chinese money grubbing, rapist billy klinton for 8 long years.

Instead----LET'S KEEP RELIGION front and center in this next election, it provides moral clarity and defines character. Of course, since the likes of you miss the bottom slapping, cozy feeling of inclusion genuine sociopaths like billy klinton use to woo reporters (as you once pretended to be), I am certain you, yourself, do not possess the character to recognize good character when confronted with it...you only know you wish the nation didn't care about it, one way or the other.

33 posted on 06/24/2004 7:37:23 AM PDT by Republic
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To: presidio9
Then let's keep politics out of religious issues.

Marriage has been a religious institution since long before the Democratic party (and their consituents) decided to make it a political issue.

Nurturing children has been a religious teaching since long before the Democrats decided to make abortion-as-birth-control a political issue.

And honor - meaning, keeping your solemn vows - is an issue of moral character that is an entirely valid topic for evaluating a candidate for office. Does Kerry honor his vows to the Roman Catholic church or not? He is free to withdraw from the church - admitting that he will not keep his vows to it - and be judged on that basis. Lying about whether he abides by his vows - any vows, including those made to a faith-based organization - is a valid concern.
34 posted on 06/24/2004 7:39:29 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: cricket

35 posted on 06/24/2004 7:39:41 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: bmwcyle

Helen should be asked to leave the human race and join the swine which spawned her.


36 posted on 06/24/2004 7:39:54 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (John Fonda al Kerry began his political life as a Pro Commy Vietnam War protester!)
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To: Grampa Dave

She does scare little children.


37 posted on 06/24/2004 7:41:26 AM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: presidio9

Somebody Please take this old has been hag's keyboard away from her.........


38 posted on 06/24/2004 7:41:51 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: presidio9
Such activities could run afoul of the church's tax-free status that bars participation in political affairs.

She has probably never heard any tax-exempt (or taxpayer funded) liberal groups that participate in political affairs.....

39 posted on 06/24/2004 7:41:51 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Sgt_Schultze
So, Helen plans to be the first to protest when Kerry, Clinton, Gore and (rev) Jackson go out to appear at black churches across the country.

Good point.

40 posted on 06/24/2004 7:41:56 AM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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