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L.A.'s name too divine? 'Angels' reference may mean trouble
Daily News ^ | 6/12/04 | Troy Anderson

Posted on 06/13/2004 12:06:52 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: livius
Florida, too: St. Augustine, Santa Fe, St. Petersburg, to name a few...

St Petersburg is always complaining about the influx of kids on spring break every year. Why not keep them away by changing the name to Leningrad?

101 posted on 06/13/2004 2:40:23 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: bootless
Here's the seal for the city of Los Angeles "The City Seal of Los Angeles 

Q: Does the City Seal of Los Angeles, California contain Marian Content?

A.  Yes, as indicated in the article "Rosary Retained in L.A. City Seal" quoted below.

"The Rosary, if there were any doubt about it, is officially and definitely a part of the seal of the City of Los Angeles.  Minor variations in the city seal, including occasional omissions of the beaded circlet were ordered ended in a City Council ordinance signed Jan 6 by mayor Sam Yorty. The Rosary -- 10 decades at first, and the seven-decade Franciscan Crown since 1949 -- has been part of the city seal since it was adopted in March, 1905. But in recent years, some city councilmen and departments used a simplified seal  in their letterheads; the beads sometimes become a solid line. Mayor Yorty wrote the city council in 1966 urging adoption of a uniform seal. The Cultural Heritage Board approved an official seal last year and sent its recommendations to the City Attorney. These were adopted in the council ordinance signed by the mayor. The Rosary or Franciscan Crown represents the Franciscan fathers who civilized and settled in much of California, according to the Mayor's office. The city shield, surrounded by the beads, includes the stars and stripes of the Unites States, the California Bear Flag, the eagle and serpent from the arms of Mexico, and the castle of Castile and lion of Leon from the arms of Spain.  Sprays of olive, grape and orange suggest the location of Los Angeles as a 'city set in a garden'."

Source: The Tidings (January 15, 1971)  Explanation of the City Seal

The lion of Leon and the castle of Castile are from the Arms of Spain and represent Los Angeles under Spanish control from 1542 to 1821.

The eagle holding a serpent is from the Arms of Mexico and represents the period of Mexican sovereignty from 1822 to 1846.

The Bear Flag typifies the California Republic of 1846.

The Stars and Stripes indicate the present status of Los Angeles as an American City.

The sprays of Olive, Grape and Orange suggest the location of Los Angeles as a City set in a garden

The beaded circle surrounding the shield represents a Rosary, suggesting the part played by the Mission Padres in founding the City." The article points out that the ACLU has no problems with the Los Angeles City Seal. I would love to hear the explanation on why the county seal must change but the city seal is fine.

102 posted on 06/13/2004 2:41:06 PM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: Cronos
I'm all for letting California leave the union.

All the Napa Valley wines then become imports

103 posted on 06/13/2004 2:42:49 PM PDT by Military family member (Proud Pacers fan...still)
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To: BlazingArizona

LOL!

"Ooh, Melanie, I'm going to Leningrad for Spring Break..." - you're right, maybe not!


104 posted on 06/13/2004 2:45:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: goldstategop
If Islam were the state religion, you wouldn't hear a peep out of them.

Yes, but -- as politically incorrect as it is to say so -- the ACLU isn't made of Muslims. It's membership is in large part liberal Jews.

105 posted on 06/13/2004 2:56:09 PM PDT by churchillbuff (q)
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To: FreedomCalls
To: Psycho_Bunny
I can't say I've ever seen a Constitutional
requirement for "separation of church and state.
Is my copy of the Constitution defective? 

Apparently it is. The Democrats always use this one instead.

CONSTITUTION (FUNDAMENTAL LAW) OF THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS

See specifically Article 52 (it's the one they always quote):


Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed
freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess
or not to profess any religion, and to conduct
religious worship or atheistic propaganda.
Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious
grounds is prohibited. In the USSR, the church
is separated from the state, and the school
from the church.
The sentence preceding that is gradually
being adopted here as well under the guise
of "hate speech" toward Muslims.

64 posted on 06/13/2004 3:58:03 PM EDT by FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of
Security.") 

Compare it with the mythical Bill of Rights of legendary United States which allegedly existed in the so called New World:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


106 posted on 06/13/2004 2:56:27 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: antaresequity
The notion of 'seperation of church and state' is a figment of someones imagination.

It was in the Soviet Constitution!

107 posted on 06/13/2004 2:57:18 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Psycho_Bunny

No, yours and mine isn't.
But one they read must be VERY defective!!!


108 posted on 06/13/2004 3:01:53 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim
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To: All
If LA County has so much money to squander that they can blow a goodly chunk in changing all these emblems, then it stands to reason that they must be getting too much state and federal funding.

If California has a Governor or if the USA has a President who are worth a damn then this excessive over-funding of LA will be stopped and the money redirected to more deserving locales.

109 posted on 06/13/2004 3:20:51 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Military family member

I would never have guessed that the beaded border represented a rosary, unless I was told. (Disclosure: I'm not Catholic.)

The ACLU is ridiculous.


110 posted on 06/13/2004 3:26:11 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: A. Pole
It was in the Soviet Constitution!

You would be amazed at now much of the old Soviet Constitution is enshrined in the current Democrat Party platform:

CONSTITUTION
(FUNDAMENTAL LAW)

OF

THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS

Adopted at the Seventh (Special) Session of
the Supreme Soviet of the USSR
Ninth Convocation
On October 7, 1977



II. THE STATE AND THE INDIVIDUAL

Chapter 6: CITIZENSHIP OF THE USSR / EQUALITY OF CITIZENS' RIGHTS

Article 33. Uniform federal citizenship is established for the USSR. Every citizen of a Union Republic is a citizen of the USSR.
The grounds and procedure for acquiring or forfeiting Soviet citizenship are defined by the Law on Citizenship of the USSR.
When abroad, citizens of the USSR enjoy the protection and assistance of the Soviet state.

Article 34. Citizens of the USSR are equal before the law, without distinction of origin, social or property status, race or nationality, sex, education, language, attitude to religion, type and nature of occupation, domicile, or other status.
The equal rights of citizens of the USSR are guaranteed in all fields of economic, political, social, and cultural life.

Article 35. Women and men have equal rights in the USSR.
Exercise of these rights is ensured by according women equal access with men to education and vocational and professional training, equal opportunities in employment, remuneration, and promotion, and in social and political, and cultural activity, and by special labour and health protection measures for women; by providing conditions enabling mothers to work; by legal protection, and material and moral support for mothers and children, including paid leaves and other benefits for expectant mothers and mothers, and gradual reduction of working time for mothers with small children.

Article 36. Citizens of the USSR of different races and nationalities have equal rights.
Exercise of these rights is ensured by a policy of all-round development and drawing together of all the nations and nationalities of the USSR, by educating citizens in the spirit of Soviet patriotism and socialist internationalism, and by the possibility to use their native language and the languages of other peoples in the USSR.
Any direct or indirect limitation of the rights of citizens or establishment of direct or indirect privileges on grounds of race or nationality, and any advocacy of racial or national exclusiveness, hostility, or contempt, are punishable by law.

Article 37. Citizens of other countries and stateless persons in the USSR are guaranteed the rights and freedoms provided by law, including the right to apply to a court and other state bodies for the protection of their personal, property, family, and other rights.
Citizens of other countries and stateless persons, when in the USSR, are obliged to respect the Constitution of the USSR and observe Soviet laws.

Article 38. The USSR grants the right of asylum to foreigners persecuted for defending the interests of the working people and the cause of peace, or for participation in the revolutionary and national-liberation movement, or for progressive social and political, scientific, or other creative activity.

Chapter 7: THE BASIC RIGHTS, FREEDOMS, AND DUTIES OF CITIZENS OF THE USSR

Article 39. Citizens of the USSR enjoy in full the social, economic, political and personal rights and freedoms proclaimed and guaranteed by the Constitution of the USSR and by Soviet laws. The socialist system ensures enlargement of the rights and freedoms of citizens and continuous improvement of their living standards as social, economic, and cultural development programmes are fulfilled.
Enjoyment by citizens of their rights and freedoms must not be to the detriment of the interests of society or the state, or infringe the rights of other citizens.

Article 40. Citizens of the USSR have the right to work (that is, to guaranteed employment and pay in accordance wit the quantity and quality of their work, and not below the state-established minimum), including the right to choose their trade or profession, type of job and work in accordance with their inclinations, abilities, training and education, with due account of the needs of society.
This right is ensured by the socialist economic system, steady growth of the productive forces, free vocational and professional training, improvement of skills, training in new trades or professions, and development of the systems of vocational guidance and job placement.

Article 41. Citizens of the USSR have the right to rest and leisure.
This right is ensured by the establishment of a working week not exceeding 41 hours, for workers and other employees, a shorter working day in a number of trades and industries, and shorter hours for night work; by the provision of paid annual holidays, weekly days of rest, extension of the network of cultural, educational, and health-building institutions, and the development on a mass scale of sport, physical culture, and camping and tourism; by the provision of neighborhood recreational facilities, and of other opportunities for rational use of free time.
The length of collective farmers' working and leisure time is established by their collective farms.

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.
This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.

Article 43. Citizens of the USSR have the right to maintenance in old age, in sickness, and in the event of complete or partial disability or loss of the breadwinner.
The right is guaranteed by social insurance of workers and other employees and collective farmers; by allowances for temporary disability; by the provision by the state or by collective farms of retirement pensions, disability pensions, and pensions for loss of the breadwinner; by providing employment for the partially disabled; by care for the elderly and the disabled; and by other forms of social security.

Article 44. Citizens of the USSR have the rights to housing.
This right is ensured by the development and upkeep of state and socially-owned housing; by assistance for co-operative and individual house building; by fair distribution, under public control, of the housing that becomes available through fulfilment of the programme of building well-appointed dwellings, and by low rents and low charges for utility services. Citizens of the USSR shall take good care of the housing allocated to them.

Article 45. Citizens of the USSR have the right to education.
This right is ensured by free provision of all forms of education, by the institution of universal, compulsory secondary education, and broad development of vocational, specialised secondary, and higher education, in which instruction is oriented toward practical activity and production; by the development of extramural, correspondence and evening courses, by the provision of state scholarships and grants and privileges for students; by the free issue of school textbooks; by the opportunity to attend a school where teaching is in the native language; and by the provision of facilities for self-education.

Article 46. Citizens of the USSR have the right to enjoy cultural benefits.
This rights is ensured by broad access to the cultural treasures of their own land and of the world that are preserved in state and other public collections; by the development and fair distribution of cultural and educational institutions throughout the country; by developing television and radio broadcasting and the publishing of books, newspapers and periodicals, and by extending the free library service; and by expanding cultural exchanges with other countries.

Article 47. Citizens of the USSR, in accordance with the aims of building communism, are guaranteed freedom of scientific, technical, and artistic work. This freedom is ensured by broadening scientific research, encouraging invention and innovation, and developing literature and the arts. THe state provides the necessary material conditions for this and support for voluntary societies and unions of workers in the arts, organises introduction of inventions and innovations in production and other spheres of activity.
The rights of authors, inventors and innovators are protected by the state.

Article 48. Citizens of the USSR have the right to take part in the management and administration of state and public affairs and in the discussion and adoption of laws and measures of All-Union and local significance.
This right is ensured by the opportunity to vote and to be elected to Soviets of People's Deputies and other elective state bodies, to take part in nationwide discussions and referendums, in people's control, in the work of state bodies, public organisations, and local community groups, and in meetings at places of work or residence.

Article 49. Every citizen of the USSR has the right to submit proposals to state bodies and public organisations for improving their activity, and to criticise shortcomings in their work.
Officials are obliged, within established time-limits, to examine citizens' proposals and requests, to reply to them, and to take appropriate action.
Persecution for criticism is prohibited. Persons guilty of such persecution shall be called to account.

Article 50. In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.
Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organisations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio.

Article 51. In accordance with the aims of building communism, citizens of the USSR have the right to associate in public organisations that promote their political activity and initiative and satisfaction of their various interests.
Public organisations are guaranteed conditions for successfully performing the functions defined in their rules.

Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.
In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.

Article 67. Citizens of the USSR are obliged to protect nature and conserve its riches.

Article 69. It is the internationalist duty of citizens of the USSR to promote friendship and co-operation with peoples of other lands and help maintain and strengthen world peace.


111 posted on 06/13/2004 3:29:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: BurbankKarl

Let's get the ball rolling.
Everybody make complaints to the ACLU about LA's name.


112 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:49 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
According to all the activist judges on our bench, the constitution itself is "defective." They respect on european and "international" law. Just ask Injustice O'Connor.
113 posted on 06/13/2004 3:43:37 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Oops!

"on european" -> "only european"

114 posted on 06/13/2004 3:44:44 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: BurbankKarl
Hows about Los Atheists or Los Allah? I'm sure the ACLU would just love those.
115 posted on 06/13/2004 3:44:59 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: BurbankKarl

The only way to make these loonies happy, eliminating any religious reference, anything allegedly offending any ethnic group whether real or imaginery, etc., is to just use coordinates------> Grid location on the Leftist Borg Unimatrix.

Intelligence is irrelevant. Reason is futile.


116 posted on 06/13/2004 3:48:26 PM PDT by Fred Hayek
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To: BurbankKarl

Look, there is an answer to this crap and the answer is to just say NO. If the elected representatives won't stand up to the American Commies Liberal Union, then fire the ir asses and find somebody who will. And when they do stand up and the Marshalls come, stand in front of the Marshalls.


117 posted on 06/13/2004 3:48:43 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: BurbankKarl

Actually I say one of us Freepers ought to bring a Suit against Los Angeles' name. Why Not. Sometimes the best defence is a good offence -- I say bring the whole damn thing to a head right now! Force this all the way to SCOTUS.


118 posted on 06/13/2004 3:51:31 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: bootless
Why don't they just jump ahead to the world of Harrison Bergeron and get it over with?

I was going to respond earlier to your post, but some bells went off in my head and the weights on my arms kept me from reaching the keyboard.

Excellent short story on what it means to be "equal". Vonnegut's best short story. He must have written it when he was younger and further from the left.

119 posted on 06/13/2004 5:37:56 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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To: Military family member
Needless to say, they didn't invited me back the next year.

So it goes.

120 posted on 06/13/2004 5:39:41 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (How did Ted Kennedy, who enlisted in the Army, achieve the rank of Admiral of the SS Oldsmobile???)
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