L.A.'s name too divine? 'Angels' reference may mean trouble

Daily News ^ | 6/12/04 | Troy Anderson

[WinOne4TheGipper]

And San Antonio and St. Louis, and San Augustine, Corpus Christi and most every city in California. Can you imagine the cost to taxpayers?

[WinOne4TheGipper]

No. It's just not living. If it were living, you could get it to say anything you wanted it to.

[Plutarch]

The goal is to purge all religious…references from American public life.

Not religious references really. Just Christian. There is no end to the madness upon which the ACLU embarks.

University of California Seal. Religious, yes, but an Old Testament reference. ACLU will not touch, as it is Judeao-Christian, not Christian, and they wouldn't want to take on the UC constituency, which is too similar to the ACLU's.

Intersection Warning Sign. How long will the cross be tolerated?

New Mexico State Flag. It has a Cross, it is religious, but it isn't Christian. ACLU won't be interested.

The yellow field and red symbol colors are the colors of Spain. First brought to New Mexico by Spanish explorers in 1540. On New Mexico's flag we see a red sun with rays stretching out from it. There are four groups of rays with four rays in each group. This is an ancient sun symbol of a Native American people called the Zia. The Zia believed that the giver of all good gave them gifts in groups of four. These gifts are:

The four directions - north, east, south and west.
The four seasons - spring, summer, fall and winter.
The day - sunrise, noon, evening and night.
Life itself - childhood, youth, middle years and old age.
All of these are bound by a circle of life and love, without a beginning or end.

[FreedomCalls]

I can't say I've ever seen a Constitutional requirement for "separation of church and state.

Is my copy of the Constitution defective?

Apparently it is. The Democrats always use this one instead.

CONSTITUTION (FUNDAMENTAL LAW) OF THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS

See specifically Article 52 (it's the one thay always quote):

Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited. In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church.

The sentence preceding that is gradually being adopted here as well under the guise of "hate speech" toward Muslims.

[Military family member]

Yeah, a Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. reference!

Another great Hoosier.

I was invited to join a committee planning our local "Human Rights Day" For my part, I organized a stage reading of "Harrison Bergeron."

Needless to say, they didn't invited me back the next year.

[tioga]

Isn't it the first sign of a dictatorship/totalitarian trend when all historical references to the past are systematically eliminated?

Yes.

[tonyinv]

I'm beginning to wonder if all this legal wrangling has more to do with government contracts than "separation".

Follow the money....

[Military family member]

Right, eliminating the San designation wouldn't remove the reference to the individual nor their place in the Catholic Church.

They would have to be completely renamed.

[Paleo Conservative]

Is my copy of the Constitution defective?

Your copy is fine. It's your vision that is deficient. You're obviously not seeing the emanations and penumbras.

[Paleo Conservative]

They would have to be completely renamed.

I'm sure it would be legal to name them after Communist "heroes" like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Fonda, Kerry, etc.

[bd476]

This is a Holden Caulfield task, truly it is.

ref. Catcher in the Rye

[usadave]

A strong legal argument can be made that the name of the city of Los Angeles -- even worse its formal name, "The Town of Our Lady the Queen of Angels of the Little Portion" -- violates the constitutional requirement for separation of church and state.

Constitutional requirement for separation of church and state? It amazes me that there are so many ignorant people in this country who apparently have never read the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

[GOPrincess]

And don't forget Sacramento, which derives its name from the Blessed Sacrament...

[Military family member]

Since this must have President Reagan spinning frantically in his grave, perhaps the purpose of this is use that a source of energy.

[Lazamataz]

Let's cut this bulls**t once and for all. Eff the ACLU, seriously. Who cares whay they think.

[Military family member]

PErhaps it would be easier to simply assign numbers to every city in the United States.

[Lazamataz]

You're obviously not seeing the emanations and penumbras.

I stopped seeing all that stuff after I kicked drugs.

[Paleo Conservative]

LOL!

[RansomOttawa]

When we were in Quebed every little town was named for a saint. We even found a St. Adrian, my brother's name, very unusual.

About half of everything with a name in Québec geography is named after a saint or a divine person. My personal favourite place name is one of them: the town of Saint-Louis-du-Ha!-Ha! (No, really.)

And they had all those little toy chapel things by the side of the road, my mother explained what they were, but I've forgotten.

Wayside shrines and crosses. Many of them are monuments to events. Most are territory markers, whether literal or figurative - they were often a means by which French Catholics asserted their cultural identity in a country where they are in the minority. The Catholic Church was very powerful in Québec until the 1960s, when the "Quiet Revolution" secularized the province nearly overnight.

Who knows if Canada is even still like this? They've gone so wacky in other ways.

The religious influence in Québec is still obvious, though the province's Catholicism is now largely "cultural" rather than devout. Though Canada has no formal separation of church and state, in many respects we are more secular than our American friends.

[Military family member]

What about other names in general?

Since many people of all cultures have names that are taken from either in the Bible, the Torah, the Koran,

Muhammad Ali

Jesus Martinez

Juan Dejesus

Abraham Lincoln

Joseph Biden

John Kerry

These people are all named after religious figures; therefore, we need to change each name so any religious reference, regardless of how small, is removed.