Even a half-witted hoaxer should know that there were no U.S. intelligence agencies in 1941.
Posted on 06/02/2004 8:43:41 PM PDT by Hostage
The New York Times on World War II - December 30, 1941:
As the nation continues to reel in the wake of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor it is becoming clear that the Roosevelt administration was utterly unprepared for a tragedy that left most of the Pacific fleet on the bottom of Pearl Harbor. At the very least, this was a massive failure of our intelligence agencies, and at worst, an indictment of an administration asleep at the switch. It is time for President Roosevelt to appoint a commission to investigate the reasons for his failure to anticipate the attack and get to the bottom of the whole affair. Nothing less will satisfy the grieving relatives of those who died at Pearl Harbor on December 7.
Clearly the blame lies at the door of the Oval Office as well at the feet of Army Secretary Stinson and Navy Secretary Frank Knox, a crony of the president, and Vice President John Nance Garner, rumored to be the real brains behind a disabled and martini-drinking, meretricious chief executive. They should be forced to appear before an investigating commission to account under oath for their laxity in the face of an aggressive Pacific power, which is obviously bent on dominating the Pacific and determined to force the United States back to the shores of the West Coast.
To those who say that such a commission would distract the administration from the war effort, it must be explained that nothing must stand in the way of the media's right to know and report the facts.
The more things change .... you know the familiar refrain.
Wasn't Rush talking about this? Maybe it was someone else, but I think it was him.
Sounds like a fabrication. Even though it seems natural to us now to read or hear this kind of stuff, it was not so at that time.
Ouch.
fabrication
A little TOO familiar to be believed for my tastes. Do you have a source for this?
I guess the Times is wishing FDR a meretricious, and a Happy New Year.
Is this real? If not you need to have it pulled, there are too many people who use FR as a reference and we don't want to allow anyone to take something from here that is bogus.
This is a fabrication. Roosevelt's disability was not common knowledge amongst the American people and not spoken of by the press.
Fake.
Even a half-witted hoaxer should know that there were no U.S. intelligence agencies in 1941.
Someone, somewhere needs to see beautiful ironic posts for what they are.
Jeeze. M9, you will absolutely help our enemies see us as blinking idiots. Get a grip, take out a loan and buy a clue, get a sense of humor.
Good post Hostage -- I see it and wish others would see it too.
Folks 9/11=12/7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We didn't let the enemies of democracy (the democrats today = the Axis of the WWII) stop us then. Why do we let them control the discussion today? We are craven cowards in the face of facts.
I will check at the library. It came from a reliable poster on Yahoo but he may have been lax in checking.
However, it would not be farfetched. Rumsfield recently gave a speech in Iraq where he quoted several news reports and letters from the Civil War, Northerners against Southerners and vice versa, and Northerners against Northeners. Point being we are a quarrelsome society.
If it is a hoax, my apologies. However again, we know that the political parties have seldom been united for long on anything.
Here's the original source: http://www.etherzone.com/2004/bren060204.shtml
Clearly, the events of Pearl Harbor were..
BUSH'S FAULT!!!
Omaha Beach was not the only quagmire. How about the strategic bombing campaign of 1943 in which the deep penetration raids into Germany were called off after the catastrophic heavy bomber casualties of Schweinfurt and Regensberg? No one was whining loudly and publicly about the fact that the self defending bomber formation concept was flawed and that they failed in not having a long-range fighter escort ready at the time. We are so used to the Air Force sustaining almost no casualties in current day operations that we often forget that the 8th Air Force alone had more dead (26,000) than all the entire Marine Corps did in World War II (20,000) there were no loudly public howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win this.
How about the night naval battle off Savo Island, Guadalcanal in August of 1942 in which the United States Navy, defeated by a Japanese navy far better versed in night fighting tactics, sailed away and left the Marines stranded on Guadalcanal? There weren't any howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.
How about the slaughter off the Eastern Seaboard of the United States in 1942 in which the U-boats of the German Kreigsmarine during Operation Drumbeat sunk 500 allied merchant ships in a six-month period in the greatest naval disaster in United States history? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.
How about the Kasserine pass in Tunisia in February of 1943? Rommel's Afrika Corps soundly defeated and routed green American troops, sending them into pell mell retreat. Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire these Germans are just too tough to beat.
How about the bloody stalemate inflicted on units of the 1st, 4th, 28th, and 9th infantry divisions by the Germans during the battle of Huertegen Forest as a prelude to the Battle of the Bulge? Or that battle's disastrous opening on the Schnee Eifel in Belgium in which intelligence failures allowed a totally surprised American Army to lose two whole infantry regiments in the opening rounds of the battle? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we just can't win.
Or how about the defeat inflicted on the allies during Operation Market garden in 1944 when everyone knew the Germans were already beaten? Or the horrendous losses off Okinawa? Or the bloody repulse at the Rapido River in January of 1944, or the bloody stalemate at Anzio or even the entire checkmated Italian campaign? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.
We often forget that World War II was no unrelieved string of victories until the final triumph. We often suffered defeat on the battlefield, sometimes catastrophic, but we prevailed because we knew that we had to.
Nothing even remotely resembling any of these historical disastrous of World War II has occurred in Iraq, but these infantile naysayers who try to pose the situation has an absolute defeat are either hopelessly naïve or determined to demoralize our soldiers and willfully undermine this effort. Despite the setbacks that have occurred in Iraq, there is nothing here they cannot be remedied to this country's favor.
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