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Sound familiar?

The more things change .... you know the familiar refrain.

1 posted on 06/02/2004 8:43:41 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Hostage

Wasn't Rush talking about this? Maybe it was someone else, but I think it was him.


2 posted on 06/02/2004 8:45:46 PM PDT by zahal724
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To: Hostage

Sounds like a fabrication. Even though it seems natural to us now to read or hear this kind of stuff, it was not so at that time.


3 posted on 06/02/2004 8:46:03 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Any "church" that can't figure out abortion and homosexuality isn't worthy of the appellation)
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...Vice President John Nance Garner, rumored to be the real brains behind a disabled and martini-drinking, meretricious chief executive.

Ouch.

4 posted on 06/02/2004 8:46:36 PM PDT by ChuckShick (He's clerking for me...)
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To: Hostage
This is a put on, yes?
6 posted on 06/02/2004 8:47:27 PM PDT by foghornleghorn
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To: Hostage

A little TOO familiar to be believed for my tastes. Do you have a source for this?


7 posted on 06/02/2004 8:48:54 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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meretricious chief executive

I guess the Times is wishing FDR a meretricious, and a Happy New Year.

8 posted on 06/02/2004 8:49:49 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Hey, Kerry! You don't need no stinkin' badges. I mean medals. I mean ribbons.)
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To: Hostage

Is this real? If not you need to have it pulled, there are too many people who use FR as a reference and we don't want to allow anyone to take something from here that is bogus.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 8:50:55 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Hostage

This is a fabrication. Roosevelt's disability was not common knowledge amongst the American people and not spoken of by the press.


10 posted on 06/02/2004 8:51:16 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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...disabled and martini-drinking, meretricious chief executive.

Fake.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 8:52:30 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war. Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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"this was a massive failure of our intelligence agencies"

Even a half-witted hoaxer should know that there were no U.S. intelligence agencies in 1941.

12 posted on 06/02/2004 8:55:49 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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I believe it.

The Nine Investigations of Pearl Harbor

15 posted on 06/02/2004 9:16:15 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber!)
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There was plenty of second-guessing, Monday morning quarterbacking by the press etc. after Pearl Harbor. There were also many hearings that resulted in the military men in charge being relieved of command [whomever was in charge would have been sacked, by the way]. There is still an underlying controversy about 12/7/41 to this day.

HEARINGS BEFORE THE JOINT COMMITTEE ON THE INVESTIGATIONOF THE PEARL HARBOR ATTACK



17 posted on 06/02/2004 9:46:26 PM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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You guys are silly. Don't you realize? Roosevelt's a Democrat, he was not at fault for Pearl Harbor.

Clearly, the events of Pearl Harbor were..

BUSH'S FAULT!!!

18 posted on 06/03/2004 3:05:16 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (Go home, Cynthia McKinney!)
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Omaha Beach was not the only quagmire. How about the strategic bombing campaign of 1943 in which the deep penetration raids into Germany were called off after the catastrophic heavy bomber casualties of Schweinfurt and Regensberg? No one was whining loudly and publicly about the fact that the self defending bomber formation concept was flawed and that they failed in not having a long-range fighter escort ready at the time. We are so used to the Air Force sustaining almost no casualties in current day operations that we often forget that the 8th Air Force alone had more dead (26,000) than all the entire Marine Corps did in World War II (20,000) there were no loudly public howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win this.

How about the night naval battle off Savo Island, Guadalcanal in August of 1942 in which the United States Navy, defeated by a Japanese navy far better versed in night fighting tactics, sailed away and left the Marines stranded on Guadalcanal? There weren't any howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.

How about the slaughter off the Eastern Seaboard of the United States in 1942 in which the U-boats of the German Kreigsmarine during Operation Drumbeat sunk 500 allied merchant ships in a six-month period in the greatest naval disaster in United States history? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.

How about the Kasserine pass in Tunisia in February of 1943? Rommel's Afrika Corps soundly defeated and routed green American troops, sending them into pell mell retreat. Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire these Germans are just too tough to beat.

How about the bloody stalemate inflicted on units of the 1st, 4th, 28th, and 9th infantry divisions by the Germans during the battle of Huertegen Forest as a prelude to the Battle of the Bulge? Or that battle's disastrous opening on the Schnee Eifel in Belgium in which intelligence failures allowed a totally surprised American Army to lose two whole infantry regiments in the opening rounds of the battle? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we just can't win.

Or how about the defeat inflicted on the allies during Operation Market garden in 1944 when everyone knew the Germans were already beaten? Or the horrendous losses off Okinawa? Or the bloody repulse at the Rapido River in January of 1944, or the bloody stalemate at Anzio or even the entire checkmated Italian campaign? Again no howls of quagmire, quagmire we can't win.

We often forget that World War II was no unrelieved string of victories until the final triumph. We often suffered defeat on the battlefield, sometimes catastrophic, but we prevailed because we knew that we had to.

Nothing even remotely resembling any of these historical disastrous of World War II has occurred in Iraq, but these infantile naysayers who try to pose the situation has an absolute defeat are either hopelessly naïve or determined to demoralize our soldiers and willfully undermine this effort. Despite the setbacks that have occurred in Iraq, there is nothing here they cannot be remedied to this country's favor.


19 posted on 06/03/2004 5:56:01 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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