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To: JohnHuang2
you should read the Bible...some pretty violent parts, and some pretty X rated parts.

We don't kill witches, adulterers, and disobedient children. We don't massacre entire towns when we conquer them. The reason is that we recognize a lot of the verses are aimed at ancient times when society was different, and Jesus (and the later Rabbis in Judaism) preached mercy and tolerance.

Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion. The modern day problem is Islamofascism and the extreme forms of Islam of Iran. These have more in common with fascism and Marxism than with Islam, since they are Utopian interpretations of certain verses, which ignore the history of Islam.

You want to criticize these versions of Islam? Fine. And criticize the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition (which was a secular court that used church law to destroy political enemies) and the pogroms of Orthodox Russia. But don't say that these extremist positions represent the belief system of 1 billion people. If we were fighting one billion people, we'd have more than 800 casualties in one year. We are fighting 20 000 extremists and a few despots. Period.
3 posted on 05/26/2004 4:10:55 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

"We are fighting 20 000 extremists and a few despots. Period."

I think you need to add to this list of "20,000 extremists and a few despots", the lying crooked liberals who have declared "war" upon the Constitution of the US. Old Teddy's babel and Hillry's shrill are after the same objective as the blood thristy killers, destruction of "freedom".


4 posted on 05/26/2004 4:22:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: LadyDoc
The problems with the Muslim Religion fanatics is NOT modern. It is it's foundation. Their schools still teach "hate" and "kill the Jews and the Christians".

I have a circa 1850 book written by a scholar during the period he visited the Middle East. The outstanding engraving and caption is a Muslim on a horse: "With the Koran in one hand and their sword in the other".

5 posted on 05/26/2004 4:35:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

Can you point out one Islamic country where that is true?

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

ETC.

6 posted on 05/26/2004 5:19:17 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: LadyDoc
HAve you even read the Koran?

These are NOT versions of Islam, that is the basic concept of Isalm. It's NOT like a true religion which preaches peace at its ocre (Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism).

Did Christ tell his followers to go and slaughter all non-believers? No. Did Mo do that? YES.
7 posted on 05/26/2004 5:38:13 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc
We don't kill witches, adulterers, and disobedient children. We don't massacre entire towns when we conquer them. The reason is that we recognize a lot of the verses are aimed at ancient times when society was different, and Jesus (and the later Rabbis in Judaism) preached mercy and tolerance.

Rubbish. Those verses talk about a time when God told the Israelis to carry out those acts. They do not have the blanket statemetn Go out and kill now and in the future.
8 posted on 05/26/2004 5:39:24 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc
We don't kill witches, adulterers, and disobedient children. We don't massacre entire towns when we conquer them. The reason is that we recognize a lot of the verses are aimed at ancient times when society was different, and Jesus (and the later Rabbis in Judaism) preached mercy and tolerance.

Did Christ tell us to Kill Witches? Yes or No? NO. Did Mo tell his followers to kill infidels? Yes or No? YES.
9 posted on 05/26/2004 5:40:20 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc
And criticize the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition (which was a secular court that used church law to destroy political enemies) and the pogroms of Orthodox Russia.

I do criticize these, but how many were killed? thousands? And at a specific time in history, not for 14 centuries uninterrupted. Mo's followers have killed 100s of millions of people if not 1 billion + people ON RELIGIOUS SANCTION.

Name any other religion which tells its followers to do that?

Go and live in Saudi Ar to so how things really are.
11 posted on 05/26/2004 5:42:48 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc

According to Shariah, converts from Islam should be killed. THat is the law and it is the law in Saudi A, Pakistan, Sudan, etc. In Saudi A it is against he law for any citizen to follow another religion. If you wear a cross you can be arrested, churchs/temples are verboten.


12 posted on 05/26/2004 5:44:04 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc
We are fighting 20 000 extremists and a few despots. Period.

Yeah, really? you mean to tell me the 100 million Pakis, 20 million Saudis, millions of others etc. aren't on your radar?

We're fighting against a democnic cult, not against a people.

We are fighting the Borg, unthinking, unintelligent, violent, senseless creatures made that way by a sinister cult.
13 posted on 05/26/2004 5:45:54 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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You want to criticize these versions of Islam? Fine. And criticize the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition (which was a secular court that used church law to destroy political enemies) and the pogroms of Orthodox Russia

The difference is that those were past aberrations in the practice of Christianity, and Christians soundly reject those practices now. Islam is STILL supporting, or at the least, not condemning the actions of the people doing violence in the name of their religion.

20 posted on 05/26/2004 5:54:22 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: LadyDoc
What do you think of

Pakistan: Unknown-armed men kidnap priest (Religion of Peace)

Critics: Pakistan Schools Help Breed Terrorism

Pakistani Christian Murdered in His Home

government's first gift to Christians. A bomb blasts ... Church. (Pakistan, December 2002)


21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:58:55 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: LadyDoc
"Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion."

Spoken like a true dhimmi. Now go sweep the yard around the mosque. We will not slaughter you since you know your roll in the islamic society. You are a good daughter of apes and monkeys. You will make an excellent slave for use at the local fatwa party held every night. Be sure to put on your best burka b/c you will be raped, then circumcised and then stoned to death for bing an infidel whore who dressed improperly. Allah Akbar!! Pigs be upon him!
25 posted on 05/26/2004 6:04:47 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

Says you

You want to criticize these versions of Islam? Fine. And criticize the KKK, the Spanish Inquisition...

We do

If we were fighting one billion people, we'd have more than 800 casualties in one year.

My boss is muslim and I am shaking with emotion when I say our relationship can be summed up by..."Find and slay the pagans [non-Muslims] wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war);"

The muslims at my job gleefully fantasize about suitcase nukes. Period. I would love to hear about some America loving muslims. I'm waiting...
34 posted on 05/26/2004 6:14:32 AM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: LadyDoc

12th century death cult.


39 posted on 05/26/2004 6:22:00 AM PDT by petercooper (Islam is not a religion of peace. It's a sadistic death cult.)
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To: LadyDoc
"Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion."

Sure it is -- go feed your "Islam is the religion of peace" bullsh!t to the victims of 9-11 and their survivors and see what sort of reaction you get.

As far as I am concerned, anyone in America who believes that "Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion" can move to a Muslim country today.

They will find out very quickly how "peaceful" their Islamic brothers and sisters are, particularly if they wish to practice any other religion!

45 posted on 05/26/2004 6:25:53 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: LadyDoc

Islam was born in violence and has spread only through violence. The conversion rate TO Islam from other belief systems is only 2-3% of Muslims, maybe less.

You need to wake up.


66 posted on 05/26/2004 7:02:10 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

Actually Islam is hate-filled screed that stress fear of Allah. Love, the central theme of Christianity is never mentioned. There is no free-will in Islam, destiny is predetermined by Allah the sadist God, that damns 999 out of 1000 people to hell, which is vividly described in verse after verse, while they are still in the womb. Martyrdom for Allah is therefore about the only way to get to "Heaven". Islamic heaven consists of wanton debauchery and indiscriminate sexual perversion.

There is no similiarity between the Koran and the Hebrew bible. Mohammad plagarized certain stories but they are twisted, often violently, into nonsense.

You are operating under the misrepresentations of the clueless Western media and the deliberately deceptive Muslim propoganda, see my post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141875/posts?page=16#16

For the full truth about Islam from an expert see here:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net

Islam is evil, inspired by Lucifer and dedicated to the subjection of this world. We are not fighting 1 billion people, we are fighting an evil idealogy that has enslaved over a billion people, the most evil idealogy I would argue. Communism and Fascism are drops in the bucket compared to Islam.

70 posted on 05/26/2004 7:05:40 AM PDT by kjvail
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To: LadyDoc
Islam as a whole is a wonderful religion that stresses obedience to God's will, prayer, and compassion.

No, Islam is the posthumous remains of a seventh century personality cult that was used to cover the the savage and bloody sins of the conqueror Mohammed.

If Mohammed was alive today we'd have no trouble identifying him as a tyrant and a terrorist.

Islam is terroristic and tyrannical at its root, and that will never change.

Terror and savagery are the inevitable fruits of such a tree, and ripen faithfully in their seasons.


74 posted on 05/26/2004 7:08:33 AM PDT by Sabertooth (Mohammed wrote: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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To: LadyDoc

Excuse me this was the old testament. Christianity is best described by the new testament. Where love of God and fellow man is emphasized. Since one must accept God in order to be a Christian, one can not be forced...yes I know about the inquisition etc. Christ did not teach the value of forced conversion but rather gentle persuasion. The koran calls for the murder of infidels. It's different. Also, every war (including Clinton's stupid war in Bosnia where we help Muslim savages) involved radical Islam.


81 posted on 05/26/2004 7:17:39 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: LadyDoc; JohnHuang2
The Moslems have been a scourge on the civilized world since the beginning of time. All you need to do is look at their past. Look at what happened in Persia and the surrounding areas around 1100-1200 A.D.
The Inquisition was an evil act conducted in "The Name of God". The Inquisition, in reality, was a state sponsored (Spanish Monarchy) act to persecute the Spanish Jews, and take their wealth and property. The Catholic Church was merely an instrument of the King of Spain for accomplishing this task.
86 posted on 05/26/2004 7:27:02 AM PDT by wjcsux (DemocRATS, Vladimir Lenin's "useful idiots".)
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