Peaceful religion isn't spelled I-s-l-a-m: Quran verses contradicting Muslim claims

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 25, 2004 | Mychal Massie

[JohnHuang2]

Certainly there are those within Islam who do not subscribe to the atrocities I am about to discuss, but their peaceful practice of Islam doesn't make it a peaceful religion. A peaceful religion is similar to that of Richard Gere and his Buddhist brethren.

Professor Moshe Sharon of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem writes:

Islam was born with the idea that it should rule the world ... Judaism speaks about national salvation – namely that at the end of the story, when the world becomes a better place, Israel will be in its own land, ruled by its own king and serving God. Christianity speaks about the idea that every single person in the world can be saved from his sins, while Islam speaks about ruling the world ... quoting a verse in English ... 'Allah sent Mohammed with the true religion so that it should rule over all the religions.' The idea, then, is not that the whole world would become a Muslim world at this time, but that the whole world would be subdued under the rule of Islam ... Wherever you have Islam, you will have war. It grows out of the attitude of Islamic civilization.

Consider: There are about 400 recognized terrorist groups in the world. Over 90 percent of these are Islamist groups. Over 90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamist terror movements. The vast majority of world terrorism is religiously motivated by Islam.

This includes Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, Indonesia, all of the Emirates, Sudan, Philippines, India, Libya, Algeria, Malaysia, Spain, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Tunisia, Jordan and, finally, what they call the "occupied territory" – Israel. Louis Farrakhan is the face of Islam in America. Is his message one of peace?

According to a recent story in WorldNetDaily, "A British Muslim convert characterized an alleged mission to bomb the Israeli embassy in Australia as his obligation to Allah to perform jihad ..." The man went on to say, "As Muslims we are obligated to perform jihad to uphold the laws of Allah, the truth on his earth."

There have been Baptists calling for Hollywood to produce programming fit for family consumption – but I cannot point to Baptists calling for Hollywood to be destroyed because it is comprised of Jews and infidels.

There exist doctrinal differences between Wesleyans, Nazarenes and charismatics – most notably on the subject of glossolalia – but I have never heard these groups refer to one another as infidels or call for annihilation. But true followers of Islam cannot make that claim.

According to Dr. Mark Gabriel ("Islam and Terrorism"), "There are 114 verses in the Quran that speak of love, forgiveness and peace (Meccan verses). All are abrogated by Sudah 9:5, known as 'The Verse of The Sword,' which came later in Muhammad's life (Medina):

Find and slay the pagans [non-Muslims] wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them, in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent [convert to Islam], and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, them open up a way for them: for Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful ...

– Surah 9:5

I cannot think of any practicing Catholics I know who would be overjoyed if their daughter married an unrepentant atheist. But I am unwaveringly confident that their priest would not call for her to be stabbed or axed to death for having brought dishonor to the family. Yet, as WorldNetDaily reported in April, that is exactly what a Muslim Jordanian man did to his 8-months pregnant sister. And a Muslim Kurd murdered his 16-year-old daughter for starting a relationship with a Lebanese Christian boy in September 2003.

WND further reported "an anthropologist's study said dozens and probably hundreds of brutal 'honor killings' of Palestinian women and girls ... annually go unreported." Such occurrences have taken place in the United States. Some may try to dismiss or argue away these examples as anecdotal, but they are anything but.

The recent beheading of Nick Berg sickened us, but this act was practiced and sanctioned by Muhammad himself.

In an article published by Barnabas Fund on May 14, "Hundreds of Christians die in bloody massacres in Kano," the Christian Association of Nigeria reported Muslim rioters had murdered 600-plus Christians and burned 12 Christian churches in one night. Pregnant women were "ripped open and their bodies burned."

In Jersey City and Newark, N.J., it wasn't Mennonites or Methodists who celebrated in the streets as 3,000-plus Americans (Muslims included) were murdered.

Every morning of every day we read and hear of atrocities committed by fanatical Muslims. Christians are commonly politicized as being hardcore and fanatical; but decapitation is not Christian theology.

Many Muslims in this country may be peaceful, but apart from the radical activities of groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, I've not heard a cacophony of their voices. But we should. After all it wasn't Mormons standing on a bridge in Fallujah shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great) while the remains of innocent mutilated Americans burned.

[OK]

Yes those bombings were roundly condemned by the vast majority of Americans at the time. We were mostly all disgusted by it, and it did stop because of American outrage.

By the way, Muhammad had black slaves himself. He called his favorite one "Ship" because he was able to carry so much cargo across the deserts.

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[happygrl]

The muslims at my job gleefully fantasize about suitcase nukes.

This is the reason why I unashamedly state that I am for prohibiting the immigration of Muslims to this MY country.

They are not here because they love the idea of America.

They are here to take over.

[Vision]

I'm with you. I'm not exaggerating when I say the "nuke" talk is the mild stuff.

[mississippi red-neck]

A Christian nation, rounding up Jews to beat them up, seize their property, and ultimately killing them in the biggest mass-murder ever - because of their religion. (Nazi Germany).

You must be a Johnny Cochran lawyer type to reach that far to prove a point, blaming the teachings of Christ for the work of the madman Hitler.

Also he did kill them because of their religion but because of their race. His hatred with the Jews stemmed from his childhood . However it was the nation founded on Christian principles that put an in to him and his rein of hate.

Also when you start studying the teachings of Christianity you need to start in the New Testament which is where the Church and Christians came into existence and it is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. See what He says you do in order to be one His, and not what the Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Mormons or any other church or person says.

Then see what Mohamed says and if you can't see the difference it's because you choose not to. The Old Testament was written to nation of Israel and it and the Church created by Jesus Christ are not one and the same.

[happygrl]

I'm sure you're keeping your eyes and ears open, if you know what I mean.......

[rarebird]

The KKK have not always been considered loonies by religious leaders. Until about 30 years ago, they ran rampant among Christian leadership in the South. I agree with everyone's point that today Islam by far poses the gravest risk to those of us who are for freedom (and I'm particularly concerned about its war on Africa -- see my comments in today's Amnesty International thread). However, let's not act like Christians have done no or little bad stuff. As for folks who are concerned about Muslim immigration to USA, I get your point. However, you're missing a much larger point. A plural majority of U.S. Muslims (40%) aren't even immigrants but black Americans! While only 2% of blacks are Muslims, it's the community's fastest growing religion. Saudi Arabia is funding and importing Wahhabist recruitment (especially targeting blacks) in our jails as we speak. Black Christian churches have failed in their mission, and must ratchet it up or else our rich religious tradition and freedom could soon get trampled over by jihadists.

[Cronos]

However, let's not act like Christians have done no or little bad stuff

Islamm: 100s of millions of victims. I dont' see any other movement, religious or otherwise that even comes close.

[Vision]

I am. I think these guys are clowns.

[swarthyguy]

As we speak, Arab militias called the Janjaweed, instigated by the treachorous Sudanese govt, sweep through Darfur, killing, raping and emptying the region of its African, population. Bloodthirst of the House of Saud.

We just gave Sudan a pass. For oilgas?

Hardly anyone even cares.

[agrace]

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[Atlantic Friend]

My mistake - and my apologies - you were right.

The Levitique (sorry for the French name but I'm not an expert on biblical translation !) do not say the man who's slept with a woman during the time she's impure will be put to death. Such a man will be "expelled" (once again, the translation may not be very accurate here)from the Lord's people, as would be the man who sees an "impure" woman naked.

[Atlantic Friend]

Yes, you were right - and so please accept my apologies.

In fact the Leviticus says that a man sleeping with a woman or seeing her naked when she's impure will be expelled from the Lord's people. Burning was indeed reserved for the incest and zoophily adepts.

Again, I didn't, don't or won't ever suggest that this is or was the central message of Christianity, my whole point was that people could take passages from any holy book to further their own goals and justify violence.

[P-Marlowe]

But don't say that these extremist positions represent the belief system of 1 billion people.

You need to read the Qu'ran and you need to attend a Mosque. You are right in a sense. Our enemy is not Muslims in General, it is ISLAM in particular. The whole religion is evil. It treats women worse than dogs and treats dogs worse than it treats women. ISLAM exists to destroy Jews and to subjugate all other religions under Sharia law.

You talk of the History of Islam. Well Islam has a relatively peaceful history where it has, by the power of the sword, become the exclusive religion of a particular country, but woe to the person in that country that is not a practicing Muslim.

If you are willing to be subjugated to Islam and are willing to live under Sharia and are willing to renounce all other religions, then Islam is willing to live in peace with you. If not, Islam is more than willing to send you to Allah for the next lesson in subjugation.

[Centurion2000]

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[Atlantic Friend]

As promised, here are my apologies. I re-read the Leviticus, and the death penalty was not supposed to apply to people sleeping with, or seeing the naked body of, an impure woman.

As for the New testament, you're absolutely right, there is no excerpt that can be used out of context to justify violence - quite the contrary. My own claims were related to the Old Testament, whose Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Judges contain some very harsh precepts (like the stoning of unruly children or the rules of Holy War against enemy cities).

I never wanted to liken Christianity to some bloody and murderous cult, just to point out that by quoting every holy book without taking into account the context of such excerpts, one could always justify one's views. For example, I suppose an Hindu or a Taoist reading the Apocalypse (or the Leviticus) could get funny ideas about what Christianity is all about.

This being said, I apologize for all those who felt offended because it certainly wasn't my goal to offend them.

[ought-six]

"We are fighting 20 000 extremists and a few despots. Period."

Kepp on your blinders, it's easier for you to go through life blissfully ignoring reality. There are more than 20,000 islamic extremists in a London suburb alone alone. Just think of all the larger towns, cities, and countries where the mohammedans hold sway, worldwide, and even if a tenth of one percent of all mohammedans would be considered an extremist, that's some 1,200,000 extremists; on top of them are about 90% of the rest of islamidom who support or encourage those 1,200,000 extremists. That 1,200,000 is a VERY conservative number; the reality is much higher.

[ought-six]

"A Christian nation, rounding up Jews to beat them up, seize their property, and ultimately killing them in the biggest mass-murder ever - because of their religion. (Nazi Germany)"

Don't lay that at Christianity's feet. Read your history. Nazism was steeped in paganism and the cult of the ancient teutonic warrior, all based upon a foundation of racial purity. The Nazis slaughtered a hell of a lot of Christians, too: It wasn't just the Jews who were sent to the camps (although there is no doubt that the Nazis reserved their deepest hatred for the Jews). The Nazis were more athiest than anything else, and if they adhered to any religious beliefs, they were similar in nature to the neo-paganism of today's American Left (Gaia worship, etc.).

[Atlantic Friend]

I don't lay this at Christianity's feet. But the Nazis didn't come out of nowhere, and neither did their imitaors in occupied France.

Israeli officials always pointed out that while there were many Christian Justs that helped Jews escape death, there were many others who helped the Nazis. Hence the special relation Israel always had with Germany. Hence Israel's insistence of having France apologize for its particpation in the Holocaust.

All in all, I think that's fair and square. The Nazis weren't Christians, even some of their imitators in occupied countries dared call themselves as such. WHat happened in occupied Europe was not in any way linked to the Christian faith of dogmas. And indeed there were Christians who rose against Nazi tyranny - and who were sent to death camps of were decapitated for that.

But there were many others who did nothing, and said little more. To me - and I'm in no way pretending everybody should agree with that - it's like the Good Samaritan parabole, where the Levite - whose name suggests he's most keen on obeying Lord's words - turns away from the exhausted traveler.

[nightdriver]

Thank you. A lot of people mis-read Biblical passages either inadvertantly or on purpose. In Exodus, there are several passages where God instructs the children of Israel to kill all the inhabitants of the land, and their flocks. That is a very specific instruction and was only given to them and is not to be construed as something we should do today.

It's important not only to know what the Bible says, but also to know to whom it was said.

[Atlantic Friend]

I couldn't agree more.