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'Wedding video' clouds US denials
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Posted on 05/24/2004 12:43:07 AM PDT by manwiththeplan

A videotape has been broadcast which purports to show before-and-after footage of a wedding which Iraqis say the US attacked, killing about 40. The film, broadcast by Associated Press Television News, knits together a home movie of a wedding and APTN video of the aftermath of Wednesday's attack.

Some victims and survivors of the air strike appear to be present in the footage of the wedding celebrations.

The US has insisted its target was not a wedding but foreign fighters.

It says that its soldiers were responding to fire and there was no evidence of a wedding.

The incident occurred in the early hours of Wednesday at the village of Makr al-Deeb, in desert near the Syrian border.

Associated Press has stressed that it cannot confirm the authenticity of the video of the wedding celebrations.

'Traditional wedding'

The agency says the material broadcast was taken from several hours of footage allegedly filmed by Yasser Shawkat Abdullah, hired to record the festivities.

He was among those killed, it says.

The film opens with gleaming pick-up trucks - some decorated with ribbons - speeding through the desert apparently en route to the wedding.

They arrive at the celebrations to the sounds of guns being fired in the air - a traditional celebration - and ululating.

The film then shows men dancing along to the music of Hussein al-Ali, a popular wedding singer also hired for the occasion.

Ali and his brother Mohamed were buried in Baghdad on Thursday, mourners said.

Clearly visible on the wedding footage is a man playing electric organ.

The footage is spliced with APTN film of the face of a corpse after the attack. It appears to be the same man, wearing the same shirt.

AP says a reporter and a photographer who interviewed more than a dozen survivors a day after the bombing were able to identify many of them on the wedding party video.

It also says its footage of the scene following the attack shows remnants of musical instruments, pots and pans, and brightly coloured beddings used for celebrations, scattered around a bombed-out tent.

Survivors of the attack have told journalists the wedding party had ended and guests were in bed when bombing began.

When people ran out of their homes, they allege they were shot at by Americans.

They say over 40 people died, including at least 10 children.

But these allegations have been vehemently and repeatedly denied by US forces in Iraq.

'No evidence'

"There was no evidence of a wedding: no decorations, no musical instruments found, no large quantities of food or leftover servings one would expect from a wedding celebration," Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, the chief US military spokesman in Iraq, said on Saturday.

"The men were almost all military-aged, no family elders that one would expect to see at an event of this type," he said.

He has denied any children were killed in the attack.

Gen Kimmitt said the site looked "somewhat of a dormitory. There were more than 300 sets of bedding gear in it and about 100 sets of pre-packaged clothing.

"It's suspected that when foreign fighters come in from other countries they change their clothes into typical Iraqi clothing sets."

He said ID-making machines and "the capability to make exit visas for Iraq" were among suspicious items found.

There has been no specific response as yet to the footage released by APTN.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: agitprop; fakeids; falsifiedids; insurgents; iraq; lies; propaganda; propagandamachine; terrorism; terrorists; waronterrorism; warontterror; weddingattack; wot
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To: Coop

I guess that was the point in my first post on the terrorist wedding bombing or whatever it was. Kimmit is very stiff and awkward in explaining stuff to the press and the public. If each one of his briefings, the general comes across like a lieutenant colonel not wanting to mess up his chances for promotion to full colonel.


61 posted on 05/24/2004 9:26:43 PM PDT by My Dog Likes Me
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To: manwiththeplan

Meanwhile, Nick Berg was beheaded in cold blood by Islamic terrorists in case no one noticed.


62 posted on 05/24/2004 9:29:20 PM PDT by ladyinred (Torture is what happened to Nick Berg!)
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To: ladyinred
The enemy knows our weakness is compassion. We are a compassionate nation and unfortunately, in war, children die. The media wants to play into the hands of the enemy by showing the horrible effects of war and children, but they refuse to point out the obvious facts. The U.S. military seeks to engage only military targets and many times, these targets are hiding behind women and children. When dead women and children are paraded in front of the cameras for the world to see, then we investigate and look for ways to avoid killing more of them in the future while achieving our goals. Our enemy knows we will not pull the trigger as fast when women and children are present.

I feel it should be said that the difference between 'us' and 'them' is that we care, and we don't target innocents. Our enemy not only targets innocent women and children, they will send their own women and children to do this.











We don't target innocent women and children, but they use theirs to target ours and use them as shields. Very sad.
63 posted on 05/24/2004 10:13:33 PM PDT by DocRock (Suffer the little children to come unto me - Mark 10:14)
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To: ladyinred
And just after posting these pics, I find this just POSTED.
64 posted on 05/24/2004 10:21:26 PM PDT by DocRock (Suffer the little children to come unto me - Mark 10:14)
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To: manwiththeplan
This is what is meant by Middle East intrigue. They are the biggest liars on the planet, Clinton could have used a few lessons from these masters that turn lying into an art form.

There was no wedding, any "evidence" was most likely planted after the fact. Islam and it's adherent's takes pride in deception, theft, murder, and lies. How anyone could see the footage of the pitiful Pali victim of Israeli oppression get up after being dropped from his funeral parade and stomp off mad, and still not get these people is just plain dumb.
65 posted on 05/24/2004 10:32:36 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
You should understand, it's not a sin to lie to a non-believer. Us silly ol' christians believe it is a sin to lie to anyone, while those clever muslims and clintons know that it's OK to lie to anyone that doesn't agree with you.
66 posted on 05/24/2004 10:49:38 PM PDT by jonascord (Remember St. Bartholomew's Day)
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To: Dave Elias; DocRock; civil discourse

"i saw plenty of pictures on TV the other night of dead kids. Yeah I'd say there were kids there."

"U.S.: No evidence of wedding at attack site" (CNN)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/22/iraq.main/index.html


67 posted on 05/24/2004 11:12:42 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: JimRed

Hey, if they are collateral damage, it's a different story. I mean, they're not your target, and one can reasonably think you've done your best not to endanger them.


68 posted on 05/25/2004 1:11:21 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: browardchad

True, but this does not adress the "ten children who would have grown up to crash planes into our buildings" comment. This comment did not adress the veracity of the presence of children, it just meant "oh, why should we care about killing children since these children would have become terrorists anyway".


69 posted on 05/25/2004 1:17:59 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
"So it's OK to kill the children, then."

You're so busy being a bleeding heart, and getting your self-righteous indignation worked up that you've forgetten something. There were children among the dead on Sept. 11, 2001. Talk to me about those children!

70 posted on 05/25/2004 4:42:39 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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To: Shut up and take it
I'll sum it up your position. There were children who died on 9/11. They were killed by terrorists. So far, so good, I totally agree with these prone facts.

Then your conclusion is : oh, then we should kill Iraqi children too. To prove what, Shut Up ? That you can sink to their level ? That it's really cool to kill children (as if Iraqi children had anything to do with 9/11) ?

Let's take this road for awhile, then. On 9/11, terrorist thugs targeted innocent civilians just to score a cheap "victory" by striking a soft target, with the aim of committing mass murder. What you say, is "hey, cool, let's do the same thing, and it sure will solve everything, what are we waiting for, and the dead children would probably be terrorist themselves anyway" ? Wow, I'm impressed. Thank you for your contribution to Western civilization, kiddo.

You certainly don't expect much of your country or soldiers. Why don't you apply to yourself your apt screen name and let the grown-ups in Washington work seriously ?
71 posted on 05/25/2004 5:35:26 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
"Then your conclusion is : oh, then we should kill Iraqi children too. To prove what, Shut Up ?"

From your page: "All right, where to begin ? I'm a 34 year-old Frenchman - and yep, French as a frigging frog." That says it all. For the record Frenchie, it's hard to avoid killing the "innocent little children" when the terrorist are hiding amongst them to shoot at our troops! I'm just saying that the collateral damage is no great tragedy. These children are raised from birth to be terrorists. Check out post #63.

It's hard for me to believe that Frenchmen were once real men that explored, and colonized a large part of the Americas. You need to get back to your roots pal!

72 posted on 05/26/2004 5:03:07 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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To: Shut up and take it

Since we're into personal attacks, it's also hard for me to think someone who thinks along the lines of "There weren't any children killed but even if there were these so-called innocent children would have become terrorists anyway" has been raised in a modern and Christian country, but heck, I suppose we'll all have to live with our little disappointments...


73 posted on 05/26/2004 5:32:19 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Personal attack? HA! When I go into attack mode I can do a lot more damage than that!! If you don't have the stomach for political debate, then you'd better head over to the Disney page.

Christianity is not the problem here. Prior to September 11th Americans were just going about living our lives. We didn't attack the Muslims-- THEY attacked US!!! Your posts reflect a complete ignorance of Islam. I suggest you educate yourself on the subject.

Start by reading the Koran, and pay close attention to the parts about making "...war on non-believers," and "...striking off the heads of non-believers."

You Frenchies think that by wimping out you will avoid confrontations with Terrorists. Your September 11th is coming! So is Spain's!!

74 posted on 05/27/2004 5:09:54 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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