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THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
Insider Report ^ | Larry Abraham

Posted on 05/22/2004 5:51:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo

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To: KeyLargo
If we are incapable of understanding these realities and acting accordingly, within the life time of everyone who reads these words, we will see our cherished way of like cease to exist and chaos become our lot. The Clash of Civilizations is now reaching out and touching all of us. May God grant us the wisdom and the courage to meet the challenge.

I'm afraid things will have to get much worse here before there is a critical mass that will heed these words.

21 posted on 05/22/2004 7:42:32 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48
"I'm afraid things will have to get much worse here before there is a critical mass that will heed these words."

And I am afraid that you are correct on that score!

22 posted on 05/22/2004 7:54:28 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: KeyLargo

WOW!
Not only had to save the article but all the responses posted to it.
Very good stuff.


23 posted on 05/22/2004 7:54:57 AM PDT by norton
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To: KeyLargo

A fine article.

Although I am afraid that we will have to experience the war more close at hand - like September 11 - before the left is able to overcome its hatred for Bush and conservatism and see the real danger from this evil.

At any rate, I am making copies right now and will go to Staples in order to make more. I then will send them out.

It should be important to note that copies of the essay need to be sent to left wing faction members we are acquainted with, so as to avoid preaching to the choir.


24 posted on 05/22/2004 8:18:57 AM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: wingman1
Should the war of civilizations reach our shores on a major level, I think it would be wiser to consider the Left as equals/sympathizers with the jihadists rather than trying to sway them to our side. We wouldn't have the luxury of time to educate or deprogram them. Exterminate on sight if they aren't clearly with us before it hits the fan.
25 posted on 05/22/2004 8:34:56 AM PDT by datura (Let's drop the pretense. It's time to declare this a CRUSADE and finish it once and for all.)
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To: KeyLargo
If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn’t, you faced death.

This seems to be a common strategies for changing religion. In Europe the early spread of Christianity was encouraged by the taxation. You could only inherit if you were a Christian.
26 posted on 05/22/2004 8:50:41 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: datura

The more immediate concern should be that by circulating Mr. Abraham's essay it will enlighten numbers of left leaning individuals who will then cast votes for President Bush. That is what I mean.

Naturally there are the hopeless, useful idiot types, who will never learn.

On the other hand, there are many converts who were made by events of 9/11. We all have examples of those who were relieved Bush was CinC on that day, even after having voted for Gore.


27 posted on 05/22/2004 8:51:15 AM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam '70)
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To: nuconvert
The Jihadist are NOT like us, nor most of their fellow Muslims.

The size of the font matters not. Until the alleged non-jihadi muslims step up and let their actions speak to the truth of that statement, it is nothing other than baseless rhetoric.

Beware the Trojan horse.

28 posted on 05/22/2004 9:02:05 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: datura
If there were a middle eastern desert atoll, sparsely inhabited, where we might 'accidently' crack a small nuke it might get someone's attention.

Then, we could issue a rapid apology......"Whoops!"

29 posted on 05/22/2004 9:06:56 AM PDT by budwiesest
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To: KeyLargo

Bttt


30 posted on 05/22/2004 9:12:42 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: KeyLargo

Great article and true, but it's contents are no more dangerous to the USofA than the FTAA treaty.


31 posted on 05/22/2004 9:14:39 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: jocon307

IF Kerry wins I predict we still get attacked and THIS TIME the Left (because one of theirs is in charge)suddenly finds the courage to do what is necessary.No more concern over "prison abuse" by the press. In fact the suspension of civil liberties here at home will actually be applauded.


32 posted on 05/22/2004 11:58:43 AM PDT by bombthrower
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To: Freebird Forever

I don't think all the articles stating Mr. Abraham's view, differentiating between the average muslim and radical fundamentalists, 'jihadists' and terrorists are written by people being fooled by a muslim "trojan horse". Nor do I think the White House is being fooled.


33 posted on 05/22/2004 1:44:46 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
I don't think all the articles stating Mr. Abraham's view, differentiating between the average muslim and radical fundamentalists, 'jihadists' and terrorists are written by people being fooled by a muslim "trojan horse".

That sentence is a bit hard to follow. But I'll cut you some slack because it appears that English isn't your native tongue.

Anderson certainly produced a thought provoking treatise. But he is only one voice among many.

Steve Emerson & Daniel Pipes have both put forth studied analyses of how deeply the jihadi mindset is rooted in islam.

Which brings me back to the main point of my previous post that you either purposely avoided or it went over your head.

So, I will restate & (hopefully) simplify:

If the great majority of muslims oppose the position of the radical jihadi, why is it not publicly denounced worldwide?

The silence of 1.2 billion people speaks volumes.

IMO, it is either naive or disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

34 posted on 05/22/2004 3:13:58 PM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Freebird Forever

Hmmm.....I don't have a problem with that sentence.....

"he is only one voice among many." That's what the sentence was saying....."all the articles stating Mr. Abraham's view" (written by other people) are not being "fooled by a muslim trojan horse").

Yes, jihad is 'rooted' in Islam, no one's arguing that. What they do say is that, " The Jihadist are NOT like us, nor most of their fellow Muslims."
That was my point. This article isn't an attack on muslims; it's about jihadists, the radicals, terrorists.

There has been denunciation. There were links posted a couple days ago. I wish more muslims would publicly speak out more. But on the other hand, the fact that you and others haven't heard about the denunciations "speaks volumes" about the media, and what they choose to report.


35 posted on 05/22/2004 3:31:16 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Freebird Forever; nuconvert
"The silence of 1.2 billion people speaks volumes."

Can you show me where billions of Christians have publicly denounced terrorism?

Their silence is equally deafening, or so it would seem that way.

But yet, you and I both saw millions world-wide denouncing the invasion of Iraq.

So, if one would follow your argument to its logical conclusion, it would appear that Christians support the Jihad as well.

Then again, my guess is that you've never really looked for the answer.

And yes, discard CAIR's statement, but don't dismiss them all based on that.

36 posted on 05/22/2004 8:45:19 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Thanks for that link


37 posted on 05/22/2004 9:11:59 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Can you show me where billions of Christians have publicly denounced terrorism?

Christian religions / sects aren't the instigators of virtually every major conflict and terrorist act on the planet. islam is. The condemnation of an outsider has no bearing in this exercise.

Their silence is equally deafening, or so it would seem that way.

Apples and oranges, as you are well aware.

In a historical context, christians have condemned the inquisitions, the genocides and the slavery done in their name.

But yet, you and I both saw millions world-wide denouncing the invasion of Iraq.

Freedom is a beautiful thing. If Americans had not fought, bled and died for it in past wars, most of those ungrateful bitches and whiners would not have the ability to publicly state their feelings.

The Iraqi people already are exercising this new freedom. Something they could not do under Hussein

So, if one would follow your argument to its logical conclusion, it would appear that Christians support the Jihad as well.

You started with a false premise. Your "logic" is completely flawed.

Then again, my guess is that you've never really looked for the answer. And yes, discard CAIR's statement, but don't dismiss them all based on that.

Whereas the bible condemns deceit, the koran permits and encourages it to further the spread of islam.

When I see muslims reject not only jihad, but islam as well I will embrace them. And not one second before.

38 posted on 05/23/2004 8:43:03 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: KeyLargo; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...
Food for thoughts!

Important article PING.

I don't have to agree with the author 100%  to feel the need to share the article.

39 posted on 05/23/2004 9:08:04 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: KeyLargo
If we flee Iraq then we deserve to have our heads sawn off by the Jihadists.


BUMP

40 posted on 05/23/2004 9:31:22 AM PDT by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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