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THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
Insider Report ^ | Larry Abraham

Posted on 05/22/2004 5:51:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo

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To: KeyLargo; neverdem
Some of this sounds like crap- "It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites."

the Salaf HATE the Shia more than they hate us infidels.

"...forces of the jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation."

So the jihadists WANTED Hafez Assad to run the country, because he was NOT a secularist? He's a friggin' Alawite- they wnat to kill him too. What a crock.

61 posted on 05/24/2004 6:15:59 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: Freebird Forever

Because I want to know.


62 posted on 05/24/2004 6:45:01 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: Valin
Because I want to know.

Why do you want to know?

Why do you believe that I owe you an explanation?

63 posted on 05/24/2004 7:16:48 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: KeyLargo

Add to that getting China and/or Russia and/or Iran to provide a greater nuclear umbrella and implied threat.


64 posted on 05/24/2004 7:20:17 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: Freebird Forever

You are right and they are wrong


65 posted on 05/24/2004 7:21:44 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: AdmSmith

The big difference being that the Islamic War and Conquest Manual (Koran) puts that in print while the Bible doesn't...


66 posted on 05/24/2004 7:54:59 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The Koran encourages lying and deciet against non-believers (besides striking off their heads, converting them by force, enslaving them, raping their women etc...). Christianity doesn't.

Until Islamic clerics convene a council and remove or modifies the passages that encourage this the religeon is suspect, as are the followers...

67 posted on 05/24/2004 8:04:19 AM PDT by Axenolith
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To: maryz
"Great Caliphate"

The history books teaches the children that the golen age of Caliphate was during HAROON EL RASHEED!

68 posted on 05/24/2004 8:17:39 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Axenolith
This is a great article. The basic premises are: Moslem men have xenophobic attitude towards women, and sex. Men consider women less of a human, and a sexual object. She must provide sex on demand, any time and any way her husband wishes. Moslem men fear the global media, which corrupts Moslem women by bringing the idea of women equality. Western men allow women to look sexy, and behave sexy. Moslem men want their women to be covered head to toe lest she appears sexy to other guys. She is as I said a sexual object for his pleasure only. She must be locked in, and never be seen by other men!

If you ever watch animal shows that shows how the male walrus holds on hundreds of female walrus on the beach, by constant fighting. He guards his perimeters, and wards off any male intruders, and prevents his female "bitches" from running away. This is a good picture that illustrates how Moslem men are fighting so hard to hold on this antiquated barbaric religion, which gives them sexual privileges over their bitches. Caliphate or not Caliphate is just too confusing for the regular American person. The walrus picture is worth a thousand words.

69 posted on 05/24/2004 8:44:41 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Luis Gonzalez

Anyone who sets themselves up as an authority on Islamic affairs and does not know the difference between Wahhabi and Shia muslims is plainly clueless.

Have you never started to read something and then come across a comment so ill-informed as to undermine the credibility of the entire piece? Well that was why I stopped reading this piece.

Come on then O he of superior understanding and address the point I made that someone who does not know the difference between a Wahhabi and Shia Muslim is probably, how shall we say, unreliable. And clueless.


70 posted on 05/24/2004 9:42:06 AM PDT by Killing Time
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To: KeyLargo; IncPen; Nailbiter

ping for agreat read


71 posted on 05/24/2004 11:02:39 AM PDT by BartMan1
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To: Killing Time
"It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites" I stopped reading at this point. The author is plainly clueless.

My thoughts perzackly. (see #50)

72 posted on 05/24/2004 12:20:39 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"...the US must withdraw sooner or later..." Wanna bet? Germany, Japan, North Korea. We're still there.

'Touche.

Alright, I'll re-phrase -- given our already-existing commitments, I don't think we can afford a massive permanent presence in Iraq when we're running $500 billion dollar deficits.

I could be wrong, but I think it'll cause a serious budget crisis if we attempt to stay (to say nothing of the ongoing casualties).

73 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:33 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: fourdeuce82d
Thanks for the impetus to google Salaf.

That being said, I don't trust any of these Islamic fundamentalists as far as can spit, and I wouldn't be surprsied to find them making common cause against us as we happen to represent all the decadence of modernity, in addition to favoring Isreal's right to exist. We live in interesting times.

I believe the author's error was mainly that he failed to make clear that this sort of fundamentalism has infected the many branches of Islam.

74 posted on 05/24/2004 12:24:18 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Killing Time

Nearly all Wahabbis are Shiites, but not all Shiites are Wahabbis.

There are basically two types of Muslims: Shiites and Sunnis. Wahabism is the brand of Islam practiced by the House of Saud, and consequently by all Saudis, Wahabbism is also what's come to be known as "fundamentalism", and the driving force behind 99.99% of the world's Islamic terrorism.

Wahabbism is to Islam what Seventh Day Adventist is to Christianity.

And that's what YOU need to understand.


75 posted on 05/24/2004 1:34:36 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

We're never leaving Iraq.


76 posted on 05/24/2004 1:35:04 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

>>Nearly all Wahabbis are Shiites,

Uh, Luis, Wahhabs are Sunnis, all of them. Shia is anathema to Wahhabs, they even call it a Jewish cult.

Sounds like you should be working for the CPA in Baghdad if you're prone to these errors! :>>


77 posted on 05/24/2004 1:39:58 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Valin

The real evil isn't on the outside--its within. We are being corrupted by the Hippie/Drug cult of the left. In this world view Amerika is always evil. There is no morality, If it feels good do it, Its hip to be a rebel. Sex, Drugs and rock an' roll are the best things on earth.
The Islamic Radicals need not blow up their children with bombs. Just ship cocain to the us and give it away free. We will do ourselves in. No, America needs to clean itself up on the inside before we can march in this new crusade. The day will come, I am sure, but many will die before then.


78 posted on 05/24/2004 2:03:02 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: swarthyguy
Sorry, you're right of course.

Wahabbis are Sunnis, but not all Sunniis are Wabbahis.

79 posted on 05/24/2004 2:31:29 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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To: Killing Time

Now, back to your point of about the authior being clueless, his point is that Wahabbi-style Islam is spreading even on to the Shiite world.

It's also known as Islamism.

You say that he is clueless...can you refute his statement?


80 posted on 05/24/2004 2:36:32 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Sin Pátria, pero sin amo.)
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