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JORDAN TIP EXPOSED CHALABI AS IRAN 'SPY'
New York Post ^ | 5/22/04 | NILES LATHEM

Posted on 05/22/2004 1:28:37 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:21:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

May 22, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Jordan's King Abdullah fueled the U.S. move against Iraqi leader Ahmed Chalabi by providing bombshell intelligence that his group was spying for Iran, The Post has learned. An explosive dossier that the Jordanian monarch recently brought with him to White House sessions with President Bush detailed Mafia-style extortion rackets and secret information on U.S. military operations being passed to Iran, diplomats said.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chalabi; iraq; jordan; southwestasia; spy; tips
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

In that part of the world telling truth is giving your enemy power over you. And everyone who is not of your kindred is your enemy.


81 posted on 05/22/2004 9:45:12 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: kattracks
The file was compiled by Jordan's intelligence service, which has had an interest in Chalabi since the 1990s, when the Iraqi exile leader was convicted in absentia for embezzling millions of dollars.

The scandal stemmed from the collapse of the Bank of Petra, which Chalabi controlled, the diplomatic officials said.

FAST FORWARD

The Pentagon airlifted Chalabi and members of the INC into Iraq the day after Saddam Hussein fell and gave them prominent roles in the new governing council, in charge of the Finance Ministry and ridding Iraqi government agencies of Saddam's Ba'ath Party............

Are the people in this administration going soft in the head? What were they thinking or should I ask why weren't they thinking???

82 posted on 05/22/2004 10:10:10 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: lelio

We are in the Hall of the Funhouse Mirrors. Things are getting "spooky". Too much of this is still "sources said" etc. in these reports.


83 posted on 05/22/2004 10:11:55 AM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Drammach

"When I read about the Jordanian accusations of embezzling, I thought it was probably a false accusation to make him look bad.."

Actually, that is pretty much the case. It was a political allegation.


84 posted on 05/22/2004 10:12:44 AM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Dog Gone
I don't think anyone is trying to cover up the Oil for Food scandal on behalf of the US. If we were, we would never have exposed the scandal in the first place, but simply used it as blackmail for UN cooperation in Iraq.

We didn't expose it.

85 posted on 05/22/2004 10:14:11 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FreeReign

John Negroponte is indeed a good guy.

My only suspicion is that he is highly regarded by both sides of the Aisle in Congress. But that has its advantages.


86 posted on 05/22/2004 10:16:40 AM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: arasina
Well they never should have taken Bremer in in the first place, all part of the "new tone" dont you know? Bremer is old school State Dept. State, along with the non DIA and parts of the NSA, are chuck full of ivy league liberal democrats at the staff and non-political appointed management levels. They are central pillars of the democrat power machine. There are some that still think FDR is president over there at foggy bottom.

Bremer should have never been put in there in the first place and Negroponte will be just as bad. Negroponte is an upper east side, second generation "New Deal" Foreign affairs mandarin type" and has spent little meaningful time in America outside of Manhattan, DC and Georgetown. He has more respect for his diplomatic "clients" that he does for the average American. So it goes with the entire liberal establishment. That is just the point about the conservative movement in this country.

Breemer is most likely a Liberal Dem and in some people's eyes in the Defense and intelligence communities one of the real problems over there. Bush continually thinks that he can get buy-in from the old school liberal establishment but it almost always blows up in his face. The establishment hates the broader American people and feels it are above the rest of us, yet they have as a class lost any real competence they might have ever had and are morally, intellectually and spiritually bankrupt. In a sense, though Bush had little choice, if he would and end ran them we would have gotten nothing off the ground.

It is certainly true that liberal minions at state and to a lesser extent the CIA have been trying to sabotage this war from the beginning - this is most likely the last chance they will have. Every Rebulican administration has had to deal with this since FDR took power.

You should care about this election in that if we do not unseat the old order we will end up with immense national security problems and in the economic and social sphere we shall come more and more to follow European Socialist models. This will lead to a profound national decline, perhaps the end of us as a nation. Bush represent a least a potential for the revival of this country and that requires that the old elites are sent to pasture. A vote for Kerry will be quite harmful to the nation. With Bush we can begin a national revitalization that was derailed in the 60's. It is a choice between the US in time passing as a nation or moving on to a greater destiny and creating a truly American civilization. This is just the beginning of a long struggle and in that struggle the WOT is but one component.If we fail we will fail to survive and fail or descendants.

We are a watershed in or history - the stakes could not be higher than they are in this election. That is why the establishment, the media and their radical auxiliaries on the far left are so animated: They know the score. Hang in there. These sort of mechanizations are a part of war.

Freedom is hard work. BTW, I do not think that Powell is running for 08. I just do not feel that he feels he can take on the old establishment and win. Another term and someone in there like Guliani might a a good start to clearing this up. In the end to dismantle the liberal order will require dismantling their power bases in the Federal agencies. We need to be strong to continue to fight the good fight, it will take a generation or two to win.

87 posted on 05/22/2004 10:17:09 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know what to think. That whole part of the world is so full of liars and double-dealers that it gives me a headache.

Aye.

And it seems a common tactic to denounce people you don't like as "collaborators" with [insert enemy here] so as to get some powerful group to take them out for you. This happens a lot in Afghanistan, where various tribal leaders have accused rival tribal leaders of being in league with Al Qaeda, in hopes that the US will bomb them. Apparently it has worked pretty well in some cases, too.

88 posted on 05/22/2004 10:21:42 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Tailgunner Joe

My recollection is that we found documents in Iran that implicated various individuals and entitities in the scandal. What's your's?


89 posted on 05/22/2004 10:27:15 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: CasearianDaoist

Thank you for the explanation and encouragement. I just don't know what to believe anymore. I believed in Bremer and now I find that the foundation of that belief was built on crumbling half-truths. I'm beginning to doubt my own ability to discern the political landscape and think maybe "airhead" would make a more fitting screen moniker than "arasina".

What's next? Am I going to find out the same thing about Dubya? That what I have seen in him since 9/11/01 is all a facade? Have I been duped bigtime there too?


90 posted on 05/22/2004 10:33:15 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: arasina

Note to libs and leftists: people like "arasina" are the weakest link.


91 posted on 05/22/2004 10:34:33 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Bommer
Is Chalabi smart enough to have kept his records and data on computers outside his office? If not, then all pertinent info went bye-bye during the raid.
92 posted on 05/22/2004 10:35:36 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Hillary Clinton will be Sec. of Defense in a John Kerry Administration.)
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To: Dog Gone
This article was published in Al-Mada. The allegations are unproven and denied. The UN won't release their internal document to us and they are coverning up the truth.
93 posted on 05/22/2004 10:44:45 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: arasina
Oh knock it off.

Here is the problem, which is the same problem that we have always had in this country. Intellectuals. These folks have ruined every single thing they have ever been in charge of. Bush is at a disadvantage because the 'new tone' was a big mistake. Bush should have cleaned house. Sad to say, but Bush needed those same Intellectuals to win the election. He had to come out with Powell early to sooth the State Dept which could have derailed the election.

The Neocons are all about divide and conquer. They don't care what really happens in the world as long as someone pays attention to them. Re: Kristol. Right now, Bush can only trust a few folks; Rummy in particular. The Defense Dept is almost Bush's only friend at the moment, because the State Dept is full of liars and appeasers who would rather have their jobs under Kerry, as they then would have nothing to do but attend parties, and no longer be subject to embassy bombings. The most important thing is that Bush wins reelection, where he can then get rid of Powell, clean house at State, and do what needs to be done to win in Iraq.

Stop doubting, as this is exactly what is going to happen when Bush wins, which is why the whole world opposes it. Many, many people are about to lose their power in the world and they don't like it.

94 posted on 05/22/2004 10:47:39 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: CasearianDaoist

How about Newt as Secretary of State?


95 posted on 05/22/2004 10:48:46 AM PDT by DHerion (New sec. of state)
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To: Use It Or Lose It

No he is not. There is so much dirt on folks all over the place, there is panic in the streets about what is going to come out. Especially in Iran, Syria and Jordan. The U.N. is about to be proven an enemy to the U.S. beyond anything previosly known. Some things are said to be so bad as to be kept secret for the good of the world.


96 posted on 05/22/2004 10:50:41 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: kattracks

bmp


97 posted on 05/22/2004 10:50:52 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: arasina
The media is conducting a full scale assault on our senses. It's very depressing, but then, they mean it to be.

Hang in there, the globalists/leftists hate the President for a reason. He's a threat.

98 posted on 05/22/2004 10:57:15 AM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Pukin Dog
Powell is probably running for President in 2008.

Do you think Alma Powell would go along with this? I know she hasn't favored the idea before.

99 posted on 05/22/2004 11:03:13 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (Kerry wants to be the leader of the free world. Free for how long? - Zell Miller)
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To: arasina
Well I would not be too hard on yourself. It takes years to understand some of these things, at least in a system as open as ours it is possible to actually get some sort of understanding.

You should also realize that some people on FR have perhaps more than superficial understandings and involvements with government then many on other forums might.

Bush is to me a breath of free air in American politics. I a an "American Firster conservative" and so have some problems with the globalism espoused by the GOP in general and Bush in particular. I do think that Bush is an honorable and capable man, perhaps more so than we have had in a very long time. He has winningly faced incredible odds and tackled what seemed to me to be intractable problems and yet has produced results. The point though in our system is to not get caught up in personalities but stick to your guns: Principles first then people. Certainly people must embody those principle to the extent that they can but no one is perfect.

This is a mistake that the conservative movement often makes and it often results in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Our domestic enemies do not make this mistake. Inch by inch they claw away at the Republic.

I do not have a sense of corruption in any sense in the Bush administration. I do know however that the obligations, interest and duties of the USA are grander and larger than any nation in history and that often compromises must be reached in order to meet them.

The problem is, of course, that since the 60's half of the nation cannot seem to mature past the age of 19 years old. We must deliver this nation from the hands of these people and return it to the hands of wisdom, honor and work-a-day faith, courage and nobility. We have gone astray and need to find our way home. I think that Bush is a start down this path.

Never forget what we have been and should always be: an common people that does uncommon things.

Do not abide the mediocre who pretentiously undertake common things.

100 posted on 05/22/2004 11:03:35 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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