Posted on 05/21/2004 1:41:23 AM PDT by John Fitzgerald
- For those of you who need a little 'ammo' to convince your libearl friends who are still in a 'get Bush' coma as to the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq here are some reports from various sources you might want to consider. There are many more. You won't read about them in most newspapers, and the last place in the world you'll find such info is in any of the television news forums.
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Blair claims 'definite links' between al-Qa'eda and Baghdad
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$VCMKUVTZFK2GRQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2003/02/06/nirq06.xml
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Al-Qaeda fighting with Iraqis, British claim
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/1048653833092.html
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IRAQ-AL-QAEDA CONNECTIONS
http://www.calpundit.com/archives/002652.html
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The U.S. government's secret memo detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
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Radical Islamic Leader Denies Powell's Link Between Al Qaeda and Iraq
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/ansar030205_krekar.html
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The Iraq -- Al Qaeda Connections
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
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Here are a couple of reports that don't pertain so much to the Saddam / Al Qaeda connection per se but emphasize more the likley possibility that they had every reason to form alliances with him, given all the WMD Saddam never accounted for.
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Officials: Chemical Attacks Thwarted in Jordan
Sunday, April 18, 2004
AMMAN, Jordan _ An Al Qaeda-linked terrorist cell recently dismantled in Jordan was plotting to detonate a chemical bomb capable of killing thousands of people and to attack the U.S. Embassy and prime minister's office with poison gas, officials said Saturday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117414,00.html
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Foiled al-Qaida Attackers Caught Red-Handed With WMDs
Saturday, April 17, 2004
Two members of an al-Qaida cell connected to top terror master Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have been caught in Jordan with chemical weapons and poisonous gas for a planned attack that Jordanian officials say would have killed up to 20,000 people.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/17/112546.shtml
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Clickable links:
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Reference bump.
Colombian drug lords do not have a common interest with Basque separists in Spain other than the latest terrorist techniques. They all share the common interest of more efficient and deadly results. The drug trade is the financier of a lot of these groups. Getting fixated on one particular group and ignoring the rest is not too wise. They are all terrorists.
What you say is very correct. The IRA for example was funded largely by Americans but armed by Gaddafi and the PLO - the armalites from US gun stores notwithstanding.
I don't accept that Bin Laden and Hussein worked in concert. There may have been limited contact based a limited joint aim (to hurt the US) but Al-Qaeda is as opposed to secular Arabs as it the West. Just as Irish Catholics were happy to accept weapons from a Muslim dictator when they both had a desire to harm the UK, so Saddam and Qaeda may have had limited contact.
But organised, working-hand-in-hand partnership? Not likely.
Many of these links are probably duplicates, but let me add my list to this one as well:
We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming.
Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)
In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”
The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
(Link below)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1
List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1
Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The AQ connection (excellent):http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Western Nightmare: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam's link to OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts
Document linking them: http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
A federal judge rules there are links:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts
Iraq and Iran contact OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts
More evidence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ connection: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
Further connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts
Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1
Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts
Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact
Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016
Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts
Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html
Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts
Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts
No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts
Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8
The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm
Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003
Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts
A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html
Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml
Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts
The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts
Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts
Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts
Freeper list of links between AQ and Iraq:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts
Salman Pak (Aviation Weekly)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865435/posts
Saddam/911 Link (FrontPage Magazine, Laurie Mylroie, May 2004):
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133317/posts
Bush says Zarqawi killed Berg, cites Saddam ties (Reuters, May 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136076/posts
Your response shows you haven't read very many of the articles linked. As well, to believe there was no connection is to believe OBL merely was gossiping with ole Saddam when he warned Saddam that 9/11 was coming and Saddam published the information in his state-run newspaper.
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Saddam wasn't the only one who had a vague idea something was up. The US, German and French intelligence services all knew something was up too. I'm not saying that Saddam was good guy - far, far from it - he needed to be removed, but I don't buy the idea of a link between him and Osama.
Then you obviously do not know just how many Al Qaeda terrorists lived in Iraq, trained in WMD in Iraq, WTC bombers took refuge there, Saddam didn't just know "something was up", he knew what was coming and where.
Saddam had an ambassador to AQ. His sons ordered intelligence officials to meet with AQ to plan terrorist activities. The wealth of information is there. Read a little, unless you already have a mindset that doesn't permit that.
Ramzi Yousef (1993 WTC) and Terry Nichols (OKC) crossed paths in the Phillipines. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (9/11) was Yousef's uncle. It is interesting to note that Yousef entered the United States on an Iraqi passport and had been known among the New York fundamentalists as "Rashid, the Iraqi". Another name that could be thrown into the mix is Abdul Rahman Yasin, a U.S. citizen who moved to Iraq in the 1960's and returned to the U.S. in 1992. After the 1993 WTC bombing, Yasin fled to Iraq and was given a monthly salary and housing by Saddam Hussein's regime.
Why did this get moved to chat?
The connection was actually established well enough in a federal court of law to get a judgement of $104 million awarded to the plaintiffs, with Iraq being one of the defendants.
The logical path for these two would be: Saddam would supply the WMD, Usama would supply the where, when and how...Terrorist textbook stuff!! It's why I still think the Anthrax attack will lead back to Iraq.
I have no doubts that Ramzi Yousef had Iraqi links and that Saddam was involved in the FIRST World Trade Center attack.
However after that there is only circumstantial evidence linking Iraq to any Al-Qaeda activity in relation to 9/11.
Saddam was a crafty bugger who outlasted two Presidents. He knew that by the time President Bush II was elected, his time for farnarkling about had well and truly passed.
The lead hijacker being witnessed meeting with Iraqi intelligence in Prague a few months before 9/11 may not be definitive, but I'd call it a lot more than just "circumstantial".
The Baluch Connection: Is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tied to Baghdad?
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's Account Links 9/11 to '93 WTC Attack
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