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RUSH CALLER: IRAQ - "Rules Have Changed" - Soldiers in Iraq Cannot Respond to Incoming Mortar Fire
Rush Limbaugh Program | 2004-05-20 | A Caller to Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 05/20/2004 12:11:09 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

A soldier "Jeff, from Morehead OK" calling in to Rush Limbaugh explained that in Iraq wedding parties and funerals are full of people with guns who often fire on American troops that happen by. The self-identified soldier who spent 356 days in Iraq reported in response to a question from Rush that when he first went to Iraq the troops "took care of business" when fired upon. But by the time he left Iraq, soldiers literally had to take incoming mortar rounds without responding or actually have someone shot before returning fire. He said that every Iraqi is permitted to keep an AK-47 or pistol. And while most Iraqis accept U.S. presence, many are clearly hostile. The problem, according to him, is largely the media. There are cameras everywhere. And the Iraqis "know the media is in their pocket" and they can't respond in any way that might be recorded and sent CNN or Al-Jazeera. In his opinion the politician are impeding the troops and their fear of the media may lead to our defeat.

Being home for a month he did say, as most other returning troops have, that it is better than the media portrays. The news reports in Oklahoma are more frightening than being there. But he described in detail the difference in the intensity of dealing with Sunnis, Shiites and Wahabbis and that the difficulty of dealing with them was strictly related to the individual's and group's religious zeal with "Wahabbis being the worst." He said, "They hate us." solely "because we are not them", that is not Muslims. "I've never felt as hated anywhere before." "They need freedom of religion more than anything else" in order to reduce the threat they pose to the world.

Additionally, he said the Arab fighters are "cowards" in their tactics and that we could "win this war fairly quickly" if the military were allowed to get back to doing its job.


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KEYWORDS: abugraib; iraq; rushlimbaugh
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This is nothing that hasn't been known at FR for a long time. But this caller was so immediately compelling and heard, no doubt by many of you, that I thought it would be a good chance to air these issues again:

o The media is killing us - deliberately. o The politicians and field commanders are buckling to the pressure from the reported images. o The people in America are virtually clueless as to what we are fighting for or the threat they pose due to their hate. (FReepers and Dittoheads excepted) o The problem is the absolute intolerance of Islam.

I guess others can fill in additional impressions of this most important report from the front and suggest what we can do to lift the veil (here and there literally) and bring about victory.

Hopefully an mp3 of this call will be made available.

1 posted on 05/20/2004 12:11:11 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

I heard it too.

We don't fully appreciate, yet, what we're up against.

One only hopes that Bush keeps (regains?) his backbone and sees it through.


2 posted on 05/20/2004 12:13:56 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Rush is scooping the lib-media.


3 posted on 05/20/2004 12:14:24 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"I've never felt as hated anywhere before."

Try speaking your mind on Free Republic.

4 posted on 05/20/2004 12:15:08 PM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
>>...The media is killing us - deliberately...<<

The Grima Wormtongues of our time.

5 posted on 05/20/2004 12:16:07 PM PDT by FReepaholic (War On Terror: If not us, who? If not now, when?)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Breaking News thread on Rush's caller here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1139288/posts


6 posted on 05/20/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by CedarDave (May God bless our brave sailors & all who have died serving our country, and comfort their families)
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To: cvq3842
One only hopes that Bush keeps (regains?) his backbone and sees it through.

MIchael Savage was saying Bush went from "Let's Roll" to "Let's Roll Over." I don't know. This is all above my pay grade. But it makes you wonder if we are doing the best we can or not.

7 posted on 05/20/2004 12:17:03 PM PDT by Huck (The corporation I work for spends big bucks each year on taglines.)
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To: Old Sarge
""I've never felt as hated anywhere before." Try speaking your mind on Free Republic."

But ive yet to see anyone get shot at here.

8 posted on 05/20/2004 12:17:27 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The left is determined to defeat the US like they did in Vietnam. I'm sure they hope to damage the US for decades.... Again.


9 posted on 05/20/2004 12:17:29 PM PDT by narby (Iraq prison abuse looks like Frat house hazing to me.)
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To: cvq3842

"...We don't fully appreciate, yet, what we're up against..."
- - -
Who is "we"?


10 posted on 05/20/2004 12:18:42 PM PDT by Hanging Chad
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

"He said that every Iraqi is permitted to keep an AK-47 or pistol."

There's the problem! Have a law that says 'Show Gun - Get Shot'. Problem soon resolved, one way or another.


11 posted on 05/20/2004 12:18:51 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Old Sarge
Oh come on Sarge. Here on FR you just get bitchy, nit pick disagreements. Want to see hatred, go over to boards.ie and speak your conservative mind.
12 posted on 05/20/2004 12:19:38 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
I listened to that call from Jeff. We owe Rush big time for giving him the time that he did.

Thank God for soldiers like Jeff who put their lives on the line for us.

I think we need a very long list of those who sponsor our left media sources who are giving aid and comfort to the enemy. We also need to turn them off and tune them out. If they have no audience....they may change their tune - but don't hold your breath!

13 posted on 05/20/2004 12:19:44 PM PDT by LADY J
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

As I've been saying for weeks, only clowns run a war with the hope they they do not offend the enemy.

This war is run by a bunch of incompetents who are infected with the disease of PC.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 12:20:09 PM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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I'm not sure he was clear on why we couldn't respond to incoming mortar fire. I can't imagine any commander allowing this . . . unless they think that if it's 1-2 rounds and the chances of finding a fire location in the dark is just negigible, and may, in fact, cost several soldiers to go out and do this.

I'm not sure he meant that rules of engagement have changed DUE TO media interference IN THIS CASE.

Now, he was clear that on the street, the presence of al-=Jazeera and other cameras has had a negative effect.

15 posted on 05/20/2004 12:21:32 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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RUSH CALLER: IRAQ - "Rules Have Changed" - Soldiers in Iraq Cannot Respond to Incoming Mortar Fire

He didn't say this. He said that the official rules of engagement haven't changed but that, given TV cameras from new organizations everywhere, not the embedded reporters who really knew what was going on, they were made to feel very reluctant about responding to provocation. He said that he had even been subjected to mortar fire and they didn't respond. He didn't say that they cannot respond to mortar fire because the rules had changed.
16 posted on 05/20/2004 12:22:15 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Thanks for the summation. I was so busy today I couldn't even put my headphones on to tune in.


17 posted on 05/20/2004 12:22:53 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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So, if our soldiers cannot fire unless fired upon, then why are they not allowed to respond to incoming mortar fire? Seems a bit contradictory to me.

And yes, just about everyone over there carries a gun. If our troops shot at every single person they saw carrying an AK, they would have to kill 90% of the population.

18 posted on 05/20/2004 12:23:33 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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Well, as soon as you do that, you have all sorts of Freepers questioning why WE should have a 2nd amendment right and they shouldn't---and don't say they don't have a constitution. It's a real issue here on FR.

Now, I agree that if you SHOW a weapon in public when an American is around, it's lights out. But I don't think we can or should disarm everyone any more than we should prohibit protest marches. We allowed protest marches in Japan, and 100,000 marched against us in May 1946 . . . to no effect.

19 posted on 05/20/2004 12:24:11 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news.)
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I sure would like the Defense Department, under the order of The Commander in Chief, issue an edict stating that all foreign and domestic reporters, journalists, network representatives and all media assets are hearby requested to leave Iraq immediately within 48 hours. Anyone that does not comply will be detained and removed from the country.


20 posted on 05/20/2004 12:24:24 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,Election '04...It's going to be a bumpy ride,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø)
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