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48 House Catholics send warning to Bishops
MSNBC ^ | May 20, 2004 | Alan Cooperman

Posted on 05/20/2004 6:19:23 AM PDT by NYer

Edited on 05/20/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Forty-eight Roman Catholic members of Congress have warned in a letter to Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick of Washington that U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry and severely harm the church if they deny Communion to politicians who support abortion rights.The letter's signers, all Democrats, include at least three House members with strong antiabortion voting records.

"For many years Catholics were denied public office by voters who feared that they would take direction from the Pope," they wrote. ". . . While that type of paranoid anti-Catholicism seems to be a thing of the past, attempts by Church leaders today to influence votes by the threat of withholding a sacrament will revive latent anti-Catholic prejudice, which so many of us have worked so hard to overcome."

The three-page letter, dated May 10, was sent to McCarrick because he heads a task force of U.S. bishops that is considering whether, and how, the church should take action against Catholic politicians whose public positions are at odds with Catholic doctrine.

McCarrick's spokesman, Susan Gibbs, said he would not comment on the letter. She said the seven-member task force is "listening to many different voices" and will grant the 48 House members' request for a meeting. "They will be heard. It just hasn't been arranged yet," she said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Connecticut; US: District of Columbia; US: Massachusetts; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania; US: Rhode Island; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; catholicpoliticians; kerry; politicalextortion
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To: sausageseller
Many people have given their lives to sin and will not turn away. By not telling the truth you have commited a sin too!

Thank you, Father Sausage.

121 posted on 05/20/2004 8:14:32 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: redhead
Surely you are not saying that the bishops who speak out on behalf of Life and the doctrines of the Church aren't morally credible?

If their lawyers are still fighting sexual abuse victims in court, of if they're still covering for abusive priests, I don't care what they speak out on.

They're not morally credible.

122 posted on 05/20/2004 8:16:01 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: maryz

Steve Lynch is most certainly NOT pro-life. If he says he is, he is a liar. In his only term, he voted against banning cloning and for US funding of oversees abortion in 2003. Both of these were highly bipartisan votes, with dozens of defecting Democrats and even more defecting Republicans. Without any apparent party pressure, he voted pro-choice.


123 posted on 05/20/2004 8:16:21 AM PDT by dangus
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To: NYer; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...

Ping. (As usual, if you would like to be added to or removed from my "conservative Catholics" ping list, please send me a FReepmail. Please note that this is occasionally a high volume ping list and some of my ping posts are long.)


124 posted on 05/20/2004 8:16:32 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: sinkspur

When Christ told the woman at the well, "Go and sin no more" was it not an admonition for all?


125 posted on 05/20/2004 8:18:45 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: NYer

Most of this seems to be playing to the media. What questions and issues they do raise amount to good teaching opportunities for the bishops, provided they respond just as publically.


126 posted on 05/20/2004 8:25:51 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: sinkspur

I doubt that, but I have sent for info, and NOT from Right-to-Life, which is squishy.

If I get info, you'll see it here, first.


127 posted on 05/20/2004 8:27:00 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur

You could ask Dolan. See my post this AM--he's fired 23 apparatchiks in Milwaukee.

Round One's bell just sounded.


129 posted on 05/20/2004 8:28:35 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: sinkspur
Christ was also wise in his admonitions, as opposed to the clumsiness of some of the statements coming from our shepherds.

Or as opposed to weasel-wording Bishops, priests, and Deacons

130 posted on 05/20/2004 8:30:28 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: dangus
Donald Manzullo is my Congressman from the 16th District of Illinois.

1. He is a conservative Republican.

2. Though baptized Catholic, he is now a Baptist.

3. Even so, he is more Catholic than most of the AmChurch types, which is not too difficult.

4. Solid guy. Solid Christian. Solid Republican.

131 posted on 05/20/2004 8:31:04 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Snuffington

Tired of rat lies? Now we have rats threatening the Church. Join us at catholicsagainstkerry.com


132 posted on 05/20/2004 8:32:09 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: Snuffington

Tired of rat lies? Now we have rats threatening the Church. Join us at catholicsagainstkerry.com


133 posted on 05/20/2004 8:32:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

"Pro-Life" is defined differently by the usual suspects. I recall the NRA tussle over Stupak's chops and have my doubts.

FYI, I take a simple view: no abortions, NO EXCEPTIONS. No "stem-cell" experiments except from ADULT stem-cells.

I've emailed a reliable source in N. WI. about Stupak. We'll see.


134 posted on 05/20/2004 8:33:00 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Polycarp IV

=== U.S. bishops will revive anti-Catholic bigotry


Though it's a little late for that, the scandal considered ... I say BRING IT!!

About time we restored the natural order of things.



135 posted on 05/20/2004 8:33:23 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: sinkspur
They're not morally credible.

SS. And you are sinless so you are morally credible on all subjects?

Please post your sins so that we may judge your moral credibility!

137 posted on 05/20/2004 8:37:05 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: rbmillerjr

The can try it...but the denominational traditional antagonists such as conservative Baptists will probably close ranks with the Catholics on this issue and other moral issues. The success of the movie 'Passion' should be giving the politicians a clue. If so many people would spend money to what this movie...then these same people will be motivated to vote in the fall.


138 posted on 05/20/2004 8:39:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: NYer
I don't agree with them on denying Communion to those who in good conscience have come to a different position. . . . These are complicated, emotional issues that each of us has wrestled with, and it's not helpful for the church to be punitive or to approach these issues in this heavy-handed way."

So I guess by this Congressman's reasoning, if a politician "in good conscience" comes to the the personal decision that murdering one's parents is not wrong, then pushes that line of reasoning through Congress, the Bishops shouldn't tell him that he's WRONG and enforce the Church's teaching by denying him Communion.

I can't see the Bishops' decisions causing anti-Catholic bigotry. Anyone disposed to being anti-Catholic is going to be no matter what the Bishops do. The Bishops are not telling the politicians HOW to vote, they are only telling the politicians the CONSEQUENCES within the Church of their votes.

These politicians have been living with split personalities, if we believed what they are telling us, that they are "personally opposed, but". Somehow they manage to vote their personal beliefs on any number of OTHER pieces of legislation, from welfare to the Iraq war in opposition to the majority of their constituents, but can't manage to vote their alleged personal beliefs on this one issue that affects their immortal souls? I don't buy it!

139 posted on 05/20/2004 8:42:25 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sinkspur
"Do I sin by doing business with a pharmacist who distributes RU-486, for instance? I just want to see how far you're going to go with this."

All I can give you is my own opinion, Sink. I WOULDN'T do business with a pharmacist who distributed RU486, simply because I wouldn't want to reward his evil. But as for whether or not YOU would sin if you did so, that is between you and Almighty God. You know your heart. You know your state of grace. But to KNOWINGLY and DELIBERATELY patronize an individual who is deliberately dealing in death should be a sin. I can understand one unwittingly becoming a customer. If I knew the local pharmacist dispensed RU486, I would no longer go to him for anything, even a pack of gum. For ME, to knowingly go there would be sinful. But to go there NOT KNOWING that he dispensed RU486 would not be sinful. You know as well as I do that if any of the three requirements for serious sin are not present, then there is no sin there.

140 posted on 05/20/2004 8:45:47 AM PDT by redhead
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