[upchuck]

Twisted perverts ping!

[kitkat]

Thanks, John. I'm shipping this one off to our local radio host who spent three hours yesterday telling people he couldn't see how gay marriages would hurt anybody.

[jazzlite]

Recently, my husband read that our bank was supporting the full gay agenda with their charitable giving and he immediately said, "We have to move our account." So, we did. This week, I received a call from the manager of that bank wanting desperately to know why we moved the account. So, I told her. She, at first, was very resistant to our view that the bank should not be supporting issues which give an unprecendented advantage to a group of people who are pushing for such a drastic change in the definition of the family. As the conversation went along, I began to realize that she was taking the "discrimination" view..If anyone would object to any homosexual issue, then it had to be discrimination, just as in racial discrimination. I, then, began to vigorously object to that view and to the idea that ANY connection exists between homosexuality and race or gender issues. Changing the whole historical foundation of a society without a vote of that entire society to give an advantage to a group simply based on the way they have sex is a travesty and is insane. This lady and I had a long conversation and in the end she seemed to grasp our view of this situation. She seemed to realize that the radical gays bringing about all these changes may not represent the majority view of the gay community and that most are not discriminated against in this society and probably just want to quietly live their lives. Those of us who worry about the unintended consequences of all this madness can do little other than to know where we are spending our money and to take care that we do not support any institution which promotes what we feel is destructive to the future.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

I am outraged that disgraced Indiana basketball coach Bobby Knight would presume to write a column about family values. His vile, intemperate outbursts are contrary to everything that families are supposed to . . .

What? The author is not Bobby Knight, basketball coach? It's WND columnist Robert Knight? Never mind.

[LadyDoc]

One should not wonder why so many children are "adopted" by gay couples.

First, the (usually white) social workers usually rate you on income and sophistication...which is why for the last twenty years black social workers and Native American tribes have insisted their children be placed in same race families. You see, often there were relatives or friends willing to take in the kids, and often who had already close ties with the kids, but "social workers" would decide they were too poor, (didn't have one bedroom per kid, were too "old", house not neat enough, etc) so the kids were taken away from families.

Gay couples, on the other hand, are rich, clean, and would pass this materialistic criteria for parenthood.

Second, there are social biases by sophisticated and often lesbian social workers that go against Christian heterosexual families who they consider too "rigid".

I know of at least two committed Christian families denied adoption. One because she said she wouldn't allow a child to be promiscuous if the kid wanted to have sex as a young teen, another because they were a pastor and wife, and the (lesbian) social worker decided they were too "rigid" and took away their foster child...this social worker admitted to another social worker that it was for religious reasons. (neither family were rigid in a bad psychological way, merely strict but loving).

The high incidence of lesbian social workers cannot be underestimated. It makes me wonder if I was approved for adoption of my sons because I was single at the time...and the social worker assumed I was a lesbian...you know, I was not once asked about my sexual preferences nor about my dating habits...

Third, many gays decide to adopt to make a social statement. They want to be "families". This is similar to whites who saw the TV show "different strokes" deciding to adopt a "poor black kid" to prove they were liberal (again, which was the reason behind Black social workers insisting they restrict cross race adoptions). Now rich heterosexual yuppies often adopt pretty Chinese or Korean kids instead as a "trophy child". Needless to say, adoption for social statement is not exactly the best family environment to raise a kid.

Finally, all this bias against heterosexuals is leading many heterosexual couples to adopt overseas. And most overseas countries won't allow gay adoption. Indeed, in my adoption, I had to pass a second screen by social workers in the second country when I went to adopt my child. And some of the families who went to pick up the kids didn't pass that screen. At least one family there was turned down because they commented the child wasn't "white" enough...I suspect the social workers would also have nixed obvious homosexual single parents. I probably passed because I had my mom there to help, not a "girlfriend"...and these overseas social workers actually grilled me about dating etc...

[King Prout]

datum.

[biblewonk]

Adoption is all about baby selling to the highest bidder. Homo's tend to have a lot of money and they seem to be outbidding straight couples quite often anymore.

[Caleb1411]

[EdReform]

Ping

What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda

Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)

Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

[little jeremiah]

Homosexual Agenda Ping - very clear reasoning about exactly why "gay" marriage has nothing to do with "fairness" or "justice" and everything to do with destruction and power.

I would advise reading this article carefully - note this part:

During the Supreme Court hearings on the Boy Scout case in 2000, pro-life pastor Rev. Rob Shenk was sitting in the audience next to the White House liaison for "gay" issues. Thinking the pastor was a fellow liberal, the woman whispered, "We're not going to win this case, but that's OK. Once we get 'hate crime' laws on the books, we're going to go after the Scouts and all the other bigots."

Please note the comments on the thread - some very good ones that add to the discussion.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

[Zack Nguyen]

The priest took in the baby girl, and immediately thought of a childless married couple in the church who were desperate to adopt. But when the priest called the social-services agency, the baby was shipped off to two homosexual men in the western part of the state.

This is nothing less than shaking a fist in the face of God. Sorry to resort to such fire-and-brimstone language, but its true.

[Zack Nguyen]

Thinking the pastor was a fellow liberal, the woman whispered, "We're not going to win this case, but that's OK. Once we get 'hate crime' laws on the books, we're going to go after the Scouts and all the other bigots."

Prepare yourself, fellow Christians. The radical left doesn't want tolerance. They want absolute unquestioned obedience to their viewpoint - and they're willing to use government force to get it.

[Travis McGee]

If you want to bring the reality home, just mention to parents that middle school sex ed is going to have to include homosexual sex on an equal footing with normal heterosexual sex. Massachusetts already has the teachers' guides ready to go, they are currently used at gay "teach-ins" like the notorious Tufts "Fistgate."

"Well Johnny, you really won't know if you're gay, until you try it. Just make sure to take your time, and use a quality anal lubricant with your special friend Billy. It only hurts at first, but keep at it, and it'll feel wonderful."

The above is paraphrased from actual teachers' guides.

Ask your "what's the problem?" friends if they're ready for their children to get homosexual sex ed, with the even-stephen pitch to try it out. That's next, the NEA and ACLU will demand it.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Forty percent of children adopted have gone to gay and lesbian families." If Sen. Murray is correct, homosexuals, who constitute less than 3 percent of the population, are being given enormous preference over mom-and-dad families.

I know that far too frequently gay couples have been able to adopt children. I didn't know it was THIS bad. THIS is devastating.

[DocRock]

Number 26 was checked off this LIST a long time ago, and this is an all out effort to check off #40.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

"In the old Soviet Union, the government routinely lied to the people – so much so that the Russian people became cynical and dejected. They developed a repertoire of black humor to cover their pain. We didn't think it could happen in the United States, but we were wrong."

The United States is not impervious to the propensity for the government to lie and just like any other country we too can lose our freedom. I have always believed that. People who don't realize it are only fooling themselves which may prove to be a very costly mistake.

[ladyinred]

What is happening to our country? I feel like it has gone completely mad all around us! When did we lose control?

[goldstategop]

My view is that "gay marriage" isn't going to immediately destroy the basic understanding of social organization. But over a couple of years it will have a catastrophic impact on the family and on the continuity of society. The only real question is whether this outcome will be prevented from happening.

[MarMema]

I know of at least two committed Christian families denied adoption. One because she said she wouldn't allow a child to be promiscuous if the kid wanted to have sex as a young teen, another because they were a pastor and wife, and the (lesbian) social worker decided they were too "rigid" and took away their foster child...this social worker admitted to another social worker that it was for religious reasons. (neither family were rigid in a bad psychological way, merely strict but loving).

Yeah, liberal Seattle wasn't going to let us adopt either, but Russia did. Three times. You gotta use a Christian adoption agency and thank God, there is still one in Seattle.

[ChevyZ28]

When people give up their rights for the reason of tolerance, we have lost everything for what USA stands for. With anything in life you need a frame work. If you do not have a clearly stated boundary then you have nothing. People can question anything that want to, but when people want to add a new law for the few people that feel strong about something then you have laws for the minority and not the majority. In this country we have laws and these laws tells us how to live with in the law, the problem is people push what is right and what is wrong. When a parent can sue a gun company for making a gun that shot their kid, that is wrong. They sue the gun company but not the kid that shot their kids, what is wrong with that picture? People now do not take responsibility, they pass them on to somebody else. When I had a speeding ticket for going 16 mph over the posted speed limit I knew I was speeding so I paid the fine and moved on. Now most people would have said "it is improper equipment" were is the responsibility, not with them. This is the same issue. In the Bible, homosexuality is a sin, not a bad choice but a sin. God does not make people that way, because He does not create some one to commit a sin He has condemned that is only going to destroy them. He loves them and gives them a chance to know His unfailing love. How many happy old gay couples do you know? Not a lot if any at all. One more thing to consider, look at history and the fall of all the great powers, from the Greeks to the Romans to the Babylonians. When homosexuality became the norm, God turned His blessings from those countries and you know that "the good times are over". Homosexuality goes against the very nature of God because we are created in His image and that image is not with the same sex. Comparing the USA to other countries is out of the question, because no other country has been blessed like the USA, we are the only country in the world not to feel helpless against another nation. Living in blessings does not mean we are protected by God's grace no matter what we do. Like my dad said "Do not mistake my kindness for weakness." Please people pray that God moves in this nation and not just in the minds of it people.............but in the hearts of its people