Posted on 05/14/2004 11:09:35 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
I want to throw out a question to fellow FReepers out there: Now that Massachusetts courts have forced homosexual/perverted "marriage" on that state--and the fact that the "full faith and credit" clause of the Constitution will force every other state to deal with it--what will your reaction be?
I'm assuming, of course, that consistant conservatives (please shut-up libertarians, this question is not for you, OK?) will fight it, hopefully with a constitutional ammendment. There is however, a lot of doubt that such an ammendment will ever pass, and even if it does, it will take several years. Surely other states (perhaps Oregon and California for example) will quickly follow Mass's example down the rabit hole. So lets say, dark-side (but actually realistic, in this case) scenario, that an ammendment fails, or that before it passes YOUR state demands that YOU recognize homosexual "couples" as married. What will you do?
I for one, simply will NOT recognize any court or legislature which presumes to change the divinely established institution of marriage. If I am a landlord, I will refuse to rent to them. If I worked in a courthouse, I would refuse to issue them a license--due to conscience. If I am in other places of authority, I simply will not recognize law such as this, which flies in the face of God ordained law and principle.
No doubt this will be called "bigotry" by the Left--and many so-called moderates too--and compared to Jim Crow attitudes of yesteryear. However, my conscience on sexual behavior is NOT, nor will it ever be biggoted or Jim Crow--I just hope people who believe as I do will stand up and be counted, even if it hurts. We will not be faithful Americans if we do not.
Good post.
Liberals are always worthy of ridicule.
No. In one way he's like you and I - he posts to FR because he's sick and tired of having the opinions of Liberal jerks stuffed down his throat everywhere he turns. So it's nice to come to a forum where he can start discussions with likeminded people who can encourage each other with advice and creative ideas on how to be politically effective. We all value a forum like this where we can have discussions with fellow conservatives without having to spend so much time fighting off Liberal Trolls, that there is no time left for the serious discussion we came for in the first place!
But when it comes to moral/cultural issues, FR is a double edged sword:
(1) On the one hand, we can find plenty of likeminded moral conservatives here to have serious discussions with.
(2) But on the other hand, there are many Libertarians here who oppose every stand we take on moral issues.
There is a place for both (1) and (2) on FR. I spend tons of my time arguing with Libertarians here. It's great to have this opportunity to sharpen wits by listening to the other side's arguments. On the rare occasions when I have a brand new argument or factoid thrown at me, I can go out and research it and thus be prepared with a debunking answer for the eventual day when I'll run into some liberal at work or on the street who throws the same line at me.
But there should also be a place on FR for scenario (1) as well. The freeper who started this thread specifically asked, not once, but TWICE at the top of the page to keep this to a discussion only between moral conservatives for ideas on how we can counteract the "Gay Marriage" movement. He stated he didn't want to have this degenerate into another Libertarian/Conservative war on this one thread.
Why is it not possible for you to respect his wishes?
There are plenty of other threads we can debate each other on!
I'm a libertarian and I oppose gay marriage.
Sorry to hear you wish I'd shut up.
Please avoid libertarian arguments of "what does it matter?" I'm really not interested in the opinions of those who think that way.
I think you are grossly misinformed.
Some research and reading might be in order.
This nation is doomed, weep for your children because your children will be no more.
If you don't see much difference in getting a tatoo or doing homosexual acts, then there is probably no reason to respond. But I will anyway.
The verses in the Old Testament against homosexuality are not the only ones in the Bible. Verses can also be found in Romans Chapter One (the New Testament) which clearly speak against homosexuality. Why don't you read that chapter for yourself and see just how stern a warning God is giving against homosexual behavior.
Also in the Gospels Jesus specifically says, when talking about marriage, that a man would leave his parents and be joined to his wife (not another man).
Your response mentioned several regulations (food, etc.) that were in force under the Old Testament or Covenant. The Apostle Paul wrote several chapters dealing with these things once Jesus brought in the New Covenant (the New Testament).
As pointed out above, homosexuality is AGAIN stated in the New Testament to be wrong, sinful.
The good news is that Jesus will deliver a person who turns to Him for help. Anyone can be delivered from a homosexual lifestyle -- the Lord has the power to rescue him or her from it. That is why He came, to deliver us from our sins.
We all have faults, things we need to be delivered from. So in no way am I saying that I am perfect. However, I don't think God wants us to start saying that a certain sin (which He definitely says is sin) is now ok to do just because the world says it's an ok "lifestyle".
And neither would He want us to hide the knowledge we have (as Christians who read the Bible) that He considers homosexual behavior to be wrong. It is just part of His Word.
The recent ruling throwing out Texas' anti-sodomy law was flagrantly in defiance of the earlier USSC decision in 1986 that upheld Georgia's anti-sodomy law ("Hardwick in Bowels" ........ or was that "Bowers & Hardwick"? I can never remember).
So what is your reaction to terrorism? Let me guess --- "Who cares? I won't be committing any terrorist acts. And they're never going to target my burg anyway - at least not in my lifetime. So who really cares?"
Terrorism? Kill 'em all. Before they kill us.
Gay marriage? What's it to me? Nothin'.
Thank you! This is the first time I have ever run across this statement in any forum anywhere.
Have you personally met any other Libertarians who agree with you on this issue? (And as long as I'm asking, what about the existence of any pro-Life Libertarians?)
"Thank you! This is the first time I have ever run across this statement in any forum anywhere. Have you personally met any other Libertarians who agree with you on this issue?"
Only a few, but I don't stir about much.
I don't see it as such a controversial issue...
Being a libertarian has nothing to do with sexual orientation as I see it.
It could, if you were a fag, but so could wearing purple spandex.
I have no purple spandex.. do you?
You've brought up a good point. Why can't more conservative movies be made? Is it a lack of financing or artistry?
Like you said, Mel Gibson proved that there is a huge audience for good, clean movies (of course "The Passion" was more than just that!).
There are "clean" movies being made by small Christian companies, but they never appear on the big screen. Trinity Broadcast Network has made several, but they were never big pulls at the box office. Billy Graham's organization has made several good films, but not many people know it or will ever see them.
Hollywood will shut out anyone who tries to produce and promote conservative movies. So this has to be done by "outsiders." It does seem a possible thing to do though. With enough financing and truly artistic talent involved, fine quality movies can be made. Much would have to be spent on promotion (not everyone is a Mel Gibson), but it still could be done.
So why is this not happening? I know there are enough people with money in the conservative movement to make this happen. And also there has to be enough talent there too among conservatives. So what is the problem? Lack of real organizers who can put all this together and make it happen?
I've had an interest in just this sort of thing. But where I live the only opportunities to be involved with a film project are with young, liberal, independent film makers. So I've never gotten involved.
LOL I guess caps and extra dark means you were shouting extra loud.
Shouting requires all-caps plus multiple exclamation marks.
A side note here: Spanish is better for shouting than English, because you can put the exclamation marks upside down if FRONT of the sentence as well as the end of the sentence. (And no, I wasn't shouting the word FRONT either).
Wiped from work.
2 - Argue with those who support it (ie. why stop there, what about polygamy, incest, or pedophilia? If their in love who are we to oppose it.) Most of the Rats I know support Gay marriage because it is PC, but don't support the logical extensions of such thinking.
Lack of an absolute moral foundation allows them to pick and choose morality. That inconsistency is their main weakness when they debate.
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