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ZOT! Fishy Circumstances And Flawed Timelines Surround American's Beheading

Posted on 05/12/2004 10:45:09 PM PDT by AmericasPatriot

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http://www.infowars.com/print/iraq/berg.htm

Alex Jones
Infowars.com
05-12-04

UPDATE 12:45PM Central: This just in -- U.S. spokesman says decapitated American was never held by U.S. forces;

http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=79adc9eb-0abe-421a-0034-59b8994a33c0&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf

With several news outlets reporting that Berg's family is angry from the US government over their son's violent death;

http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-16/108430077760820.xml

and revelations that "Berg was detained by Iraqi police at a checkpoint in Mosul on March 24. He was turned over to U.S. officials and detained for 13 days" (in other words, he was detained by the US military just prior to his death) -- (AP 5/11/04) we have to question what really happened and who was really behind Berg's horrific murder.

We have received several emails from listeners questioning what really happened including this one:

me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??  maybe i am misinformed but thought id ask the question to someone who would look into it

And this one:

Hey Alex, I know people like me who have learned not to trust our government tend to see a conspiracy under every rock. With that said... The picture the media is now showing of the guy the terrorist beheaded as revenge for what went on in the Iraqi prisons looks odd to me. If you look at the men dressed in black, they all seem well fed. Actually most look fat. That bothers me, because these guys are fighting a war and eating on the run. They are constantly on the move and should be either very fit and trim or scrawny and malnourished because of the same reasons. One thing they should not be is fat like couch potatoes. If you look at all of the photos of the prisoners who were naked who supposedly were just plucked of the street, most of them are thin. Just an observation Alex

And this one:

1) extremely convenient "wag the dog" timing at the height of furor regarding U.S. torture of Iraqis

2) CNN poll question:  "Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?"  Bush has been reported to be struggling with question of whether Pentagon should release additional torture photos.  Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national security" issues for witholding additional materials.

3) Berg's last known whereabouts was in U.S. custody.

4) Berg shown in video wearing orange jumpsuit known to be of U.S. issue (compare with pictures at Guantanamo).

5) Berg mysteriously captured by Al-Quaeda (still wearing jumpsuit).  Either he escaped from U.S. captors or U.S. let him out -- with orange suit and all -- to be immediately apprehended by Al-Quaeda (before he had a chance to change).

6) Tape obviously spliced together and heavily edited.  Goes from a) Berg sitting in chair talking about family, to b) Berg sitting on floor with hooded "militants" behind, to c) blurry camera movement, to d) almost motionless Berg on floor as head cut off.

7) Audio clearly dubbed in.

8) "Arab" reader flips through pages of "statement" and keeps ending up on the same page.  Perhaps doesn't even known enough Arabic to recognize what page he's on?

9) "Arabs" have lily-white hands and (other exposed) skin.

10) "Arabs" have Western-style body posture and mannerisms.

11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood.  If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere.  Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.

12) Berg's body didn't move while on the ground.  Although held down, Berg would have tried to instinctively wiggle and writhe away from captor's grip.

13) Camera angle made it impossible to see if Berg's eyes were even open.

14) Alleged "scream" from Berg sounded to be that of a woman and was clearly dubbed in.

15) Berg goes to great trouble to identify himself, providing information about his family.  Why?  To elicit greater sympathy?  Or to provide a positive ID.  FBI visited Berg family in an attempt to "verify his identity".  Guy in video looks very little like Berg photos provided by family.

I believe that Berg (or this lookalike character) was first killed (perhaps by lethal injection, poisoning, etc.), then decapitated after dead (explains lack of blood spraying everywhere).  Berg was killed by Al-Quaeda (known to be a CIA - Mossad joint venture).  Berg video released at height of furor over U.S. torture of Iraqis and just before Bush was to decide whether to release additional torture videos. 

Now torture videos will be witheld from public for reasons of national security.  Now "patriots" everywhere will laud the virtues of U.S. torture of "enemies".  Sensitivity level of public gets heightened in terms of what's acceptable treatment of prisoners. Juxtaposed with decapitation, piling naked men into pyramid is nothing.

Such treatment will be considered more and more acceptable even in domestic situations.  George W. Bush sleeps well tonight while Berg family lives in torture.  Serves Berg's father right for opposing Bush and the war of aggression against Iraq.

Jeff Rense has compiled some important information on Berg's detainment and questioning what really happened in his article, " Why Did The US Take Custody Of Nick Berg?";

http://www.rense.com/general52/dmne.htm

Two things are for sure:

First, Berg parents feel that their son was abandoned and betrayed by the US Government;

http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=37563

Second: NeoCons have already started to use Nick Berg's murder to justify torture and more war;

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20645.htm

Related Articles:

Why Did The US Take Custody Of Nick Berg?
http://www.rense.com/general52/dmne.htm

Berg Time Line
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/8643835.htm?1c

Nick Berg was on his way out of Iraq. He had been released from the prison where he had been held for 13 days by Iraqi police for reasons he said he did not know.
http://scrantontimes.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=11615534&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=533290&rfi=6

Nick Berg's Parents Say US Abandoned Him
http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=37563

Pa. family angry with American government over son's brutal death
http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-16/108430077760820.xml

Qaeda Leader Beheads U.S. Civilian in Iraq
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051104beheadsuscivilian.htm

Awful images change perception of the war
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/05/12/MNGMO6K22R1.DTL

NeoCons use Nick Berg's murder to justify torture and more war
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/20645.htm


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1 posted on 05/12/2004 10:45:09 PM PDT by AmericasPatriot
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To: AmericasPatriot
Fools and tools from the left, meet the fools and tools from the right. Idiots all.
2 posted on 05/12/2004 10:57:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: AmericasPatriot
"Berg was killed by Al-Quaeda (known to be a CIA - Mossad joint venture)."

What is this crappola??? Is this some of that stuff from LP I keep hearing about???

3 posted on 05/12/2004 11:02:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Looks like all the 9-11 flag waving has reverted to FLAG WAIVING by the Kerrys & Kennedys!!!)
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To: AmericasPatriot; 4mycountry; Constitution Day; mhking; Zavien Doombringer; Poohbah; dighton; ...
Check out this crap, gang.
4 posted on 05/12/2004 11:03:23 PM PDT by TheBigB ("My glasses! I can't see a thing without my glasses!" ~ Velma Dinkly)
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To: Jim Robinson
"ZOT! Fishy Circumstances And Flawed Timelines Surround American's Beheading"

I know it's probably too long, but I wish you could change the title to:

"ZOT! Fishy Circumstances and Flawed Timelines Surround American's Sudden Concern For Launching Wars Without Congressional or United Nations Approval"

Qwinn
5 posted on 05/12/2004 11:03:50 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Jim Robinson
This has got to be one of the most psychotic statements I've ever seen:

"Berg was killed by Al-Quaeda (known to be a CIA - Mossad joint venture)."
6 posted on 05/12/2004 11:04:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: AmericasPatriot
  Given that the alleged decapitation of Berg was allegedly prompted by the first wave of torture photos, Bush could now cite "national security" issues for witholding additional materials.

Alleged? Hello! Alex Jones is an idiot. He is an anarchist from the right, sort of.

7 posted on 05/12/2004 11:07:35 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left has blood on their hands, Again!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; Lando Lincoln; doug from upland
Boy oh boy am I glad to see you here!!! Look at this verbal diahreah!!!

George W. Bush sleeps well tonight while Berg family lives in torture. Serves Berg's father right for opposing Bush and the war of aggression against Iraq.

This is sick!!!

8 posted on 05/12/2004 11:07:46 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Looks like all the 9-11 flag waving has reverted to FLAG WAIVING by the Kerrys & Kennedys!!!)
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To: AmericasPatriot
Far too much dope smoking going on!

LOL! Buh Bye!

9 posted on 05/12/2004 11:10:57 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Politicians are interested in people. Not that this is always a virtue. Fleas are interested in dogs)
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To: Jim Robinson
Looks more like America's pissant, to me! Hope he/she won't be back anytime soon!!! Thanks for zotting that imbicile.
10 posted on 05/12/2004 11:12:37 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Looks like all the 9-11 flag waving has reverted to FLAG WAIVING by the Kerrys & Kennedys!!!)
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they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??

Exactly, you idiot! The pieces of slime who commited the beheading just used the "nude photos" as an excuse. If they had already done the killing, as you say, it wasn't in retaliation to the so called "abuses" were they?!

Where are the nude photos that precipitated Daniel Pearl's beheading? That's what I want to know!

/rant...

11 posted on 05/12/2004 11:12:41 PM PDT by It's me
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To: AmericasPatriot
11) When Berg decapitated, there was almost no blood. If Berg were still alive at this point, with the cut starting at front of throat, blood would have been spraying everywhere. Berg's severed head, the floor, Berg's clothes, and even the hand of the "Arab" who decapitated Berg had no visible blood on it.
Perhaps,
but then again, perhaps the compiler of this warped line of thinking has see too may "Kill Bill" flicks?
12 posted on 05/12/2004 11:13:58 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (Kerry{D-Hanoi} plans to apply post-Vietnam policy to Iraq: Exit & let the Syrian Baathists take over)
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To: Jim Robinson
Sometimes it makes me wonder how America could produce such people. Are there no limits to delusion?
13 posted on 05/12/2004 11:14:29 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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Far too much dope smoking going on!

Don't think so.

This level of zotability suggests methamphetamine.

14 posted on 05/12/2004 11:14:45 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: It's me
AND, they were going to kill Nick Berg regardless of any "abuses" in any of their stinking prisons!

They are probably laughing at the so called abuses anyway. Thinking that we are no good at torture.

/rant, again
15 posted on 05/12/2004 11:15:40 PM PDT by It's me
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To: Jim Robinson
"Fools and tools from the left, meet the fools and tools from the right. Idiots all."

Joined from birth at the lower bowel.

16 posted on 05/12/2004 11:16:07 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Jim Robinson
Isn't there some way we could make money off of constructing wacko conspiracy theories like this?

They can't be all that difficult to come up with... all you'd have to do would be to start with the premise that anything that anyone who hates America does, is automatically Bush's fault. Then you could start constructing arguments based on anything or nothing, to support the conclusion you'd come up with.

Then, let's see... the next step would be how to market your creation. That's probably the biggest problem - how to leak a conspiracy to Salon or Airhead America or this Alex Jones dork or something in such a way that they thought they'd stumbled on it by accident, and in such a way that you could charge them money for more details.

(Okay, okay... So there's a reason why I'm not rich. I admit it...)
17 posted on 05/12/2004 11:26:34 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: AmericasPatriot

18 posted on 05/12/2004 11:28:41 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, I'm disappointed. It took 12 minutes and 6 seconds for you to catch this.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on you.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!
19 posted on 05/12/2004 11:30:42 PM PDT by Gabz (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my second hand smoke.)
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To: AmericasPatriot
I think I'd better read this again...Later. I'm confused.
20 posted on 05/12/2004 11:34:50 PM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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