Posted on 05/12/2004 2:34:39 AM PDT by ambrose
[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah
[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal
[4.144] O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.
[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
Just as decent Catholics worked to get the scum priests out in the light and defrocked...Islam needs to cull its herd of the worst of that lot. If they refuse...may Allah have mercy on them. It is long past time to come down on one side or the other. People are dying and that's not what religion is supposed to be about.
No. It needs to be buried in the manure of the US's biggest pig farm. With another pig farm erected on the site of where it used to be in Mecca. Have the Islamists spend their prayer time knowing they're praying toward a pig farm, whichever they choose
The ones with the power and guns for decades have been the radicals.
To expect the people who don't even know how to have their own freedom and power to take control like that without time and training is going way to far.
"Craig says his studies reveal that Islam began in a bad way."
My studies reveal that Islam will end in a bad way.
I wasn't necessarily speaking of the situation overseas.
We have a problem here at home.
I know how many outraged Muslims there are in this country where we live.
There has to be millions of them because when I leave my house to go to the post office or gas up my car, I can barely move freely because there are so many of them marching in the streets carrying signs decrying the animalistic, senseless violence and bombings that are perpetrated every day by the extremist element of their own religion. A religion that they are guaranteed free exercise of by The Constitution.
</dripping sarcasm>
We are actually getting lots of Muslim groups denouncing the beheading
First I agree that we are taking the correct tack in tackling the problem of islam. Take them out one country at a time and kill the most radical of them. Ann Coulter was right. We need to conquer their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
You seem to be missing what I am saying however. According to the koran and the hadith (the 'biographies' of mohammad (piss be upon him)) a moslem is commanded to be a terrorist. This is pretty cut and dried. Their scriptures command them to kill us
Now if they choose to call themselves moslem we must assumne that they are following the koran and therefore they are enemies. Not due to their particular behavior or their personality or nationality but due to the commands of their religion.
The war on terror will end with the death of the last moslem. Assume that 35% of moslems are not good moslems (that is, they don't follow the entire koran) and assume that these 35% convert to some other religion and raise their children in some other religion abandoning all the precepts of islam that are not included in that other religion. And that we can stop all recruiting into this evil religion. /1
After the remaining 65% are killed in war (which will happen because their scriptures command it) then the war on terror will be nominally over. However the odds are that there will remain a sleeper cell among those 35% because their scriptures command them to lie if they can gain advantage by it.
We will never be able to rest in peace from terrorism as long as there are moslems (or ex-moslems unfortuantely) alive. Their scriptures leave no doubt that they will continue to be terrorists.
My guess at the reaction we are seeing from some groups is more "You stupid idiots! why did you film it. Just off the guy and be done with it. Now you've put us all at risk" instead of "That was wrong and evil"
/1 I believe that the number of non-observant moslems is far far lower than 35% if it were they would have expressed outrage at the attacks of moslems on the WTC in 93 and 911, they would have been outraged at the moslem homicide bombers killing innocent Israeli children etc. There has been no such outcry. To this date most moslems (including those in the US) have been terrorists by proxy.
You forgot or leave out Turkey---Muslim perpetrator of the biggest Christian genocide of all.
But Guy, ALL of islam is the radical element. That's the problem. We can only domesticate them by killing them or converting them (and not trusting them until the third generation so that we can be sure the infection is dead).
The war on terror ends with th edeath of the last moslem.
Are we so sure?
Seems there is a element that follow the parts you are talking about, some others don't think that way.
We do what we must, but we don't hurt people we don't need to.
(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." (Al-Anfal 8:12)
Seems there is a element that follow the parts you are talking about, some others don't think that way.
It doesn't matter what the people think. The important fact is what the scriptures say.
For the sake of argument lets assume a perfect world where every moslem on the earth was a moderate. At some point someone would read the koran and decide that a more talibanish interpretation of the koran was the correct one. And using the koran and the hadith there is no way to prove they are wrong. So terrorism would rear it's ugly head again BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE KORAN!
The war on terrorism ends with the death of the last moslem
Doesn't mean they have to take all of it literally!
But it does mean that some of them will.
The war on terror ends with the death of the last moslem. It's sad but it's true
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