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Darwin-Free Fun for Creationists
New York Times ^ | 05/01/2004 | ABBY GOODNOUGH

Posted on 04/30/2004 10:41:36 PM PDT by general_re

PENSACOLA, Fla., April 29 — Robert and Schön Passmore took their children to Disney World last fall and left bitterly disappointed. As Christians who reject evolutionary theory, the family scoffed at the park's dinosaur attractions, which date the apatosaurus, brachiosaurus and the like to prehistoric times.

"My kids kept recognizing flaws in the presentation," said Mrs. Passmore, of Jackson, Ala. "You know — the whole `millions of years ago dinosaurs ruled the earth' thing."

So this week, the Passmores sought out a lower-profile Florida attraction: Dinosaur Adventure Land, a creationist theme park and museum here that beckons children to "find out the truth about dinosaurs" with games that roll science and religion into one big funfest with the message that Genesis, not science, tells the real story of the creation.

Kent Hovind, the minister who opened the park in 2001, said his aim was to spread the message of creationism through a fixture of mainstream America — the theme park — instead of pleading its case at academic conferences and in courtrooms.

Mr. Hovind, a former public school science teacher with his own ministry, Creation Science Evangelism, and a hectic lecture schedule, said he had opened Dinosaur Adventure Land to counter all the science centers and natural history museums that explain the evolution of life with Darwinian theory. There are dinosaur bone replicas, with accompanying explanations that God made dinosaurs on Day 6 of the creation as described in Genesis, 6,000 years ago. Among the products the park gift shop peddles are T-shirts with a small fish labeled "Darwin" getting gobbled by a bigger fish labeled "Truth."

"There are a lot of creationists that are really smart and debate the intellectuals, but the kids are bored after five minutes," said Mr. Hovind, who looks boyish at 51 and talks fast. "You're missing 98 percent of the population if you only go the intellectual route."

The theme park is just the latest approach to promoting creationism outside the usual school curriculum route, which Mr. Hovind and others see as important, but too limited and not sufficiently appealing to modern young families. Creationist groups are also promoting creationist vacations, including dinosaur digs in South Dakota, fossil-collecting trips in Australia and New Zealand, and tours of the Grand Canyon ("raft the canyon and learn how Noah's flood contributed to the formation").

Dan Johnson, an assistant manager of the park, said there were also creationism-themed cruises, with lectures on the subject amid swimming and shuffleboard.

A Kentucky creationist group called Answers in Genesis says it is building a 100,000-square-foot complex outside Cincinnati with a museum, classrooms, a planetarium and a special-effects theater where moviegoers can experience the flood and other events described in Genesis.

Ken Ham, the group's chief executive, said marketing surveys suggested that the complex would draw not just home-schooling families and other creationists, but mainstream church groups and curiosity seekers. Mr. Ham said a former Universal Studios art director was designing exhibits for the complex, including dioramas of Adam and Eve and a model of Noah's Ark. The complex will open in 2006 at the earliest, Mr. Ham said.

At Dinosaur Adventure Land, visitors can make their own Grand Canyon replica with sand and read a sign deriding textbooks for teaching that the Colorado River formed the canyon over millions of years: "This is clearly not possible. The top of the Grand Canyon is 4,000 feet higher than where the river enters the canyon! Rivers do not flow up hill!"

There is a movie depicting the creation, the flood and the fall of man, which fast-forwards from a lush Garden of Eden to a New York City traffic jam.

There are no mechanized rides at Dinosaur Adventure Land — no creationist-themed roller coasters, scramblers or even a ferris wheel — but instead, a simple discovery center and museum and about a dozen outdoor games, each of which has a "science lesson" and "spiritual lesson" posted nearby. A group of about 60 parents and home-schooled children who visited Wednesday, including the Passmores, spent all afternoon trying the games, which promote religious faith more than creationist tenets.

Take Jumpasaurus, which involves jumping on a trampoline while trying to throw a ball through a hoop as many times as possible in a minute. The science lesson: "You will use coordination in this game, which means you will be doing more than one thing at once." The spiritual lesson, according to Mr. Johnson: "You need to learn to be coordinated for Jesus Christ so you can get more things done for him."

Somewhat more creationist in approach is the Nerve-Wracking Ball: a bowling ball on a rope, dangling from a tall tree branch. A child stands before the ball, and then a park guide gives it a shove from a specific angle, so that it comes careering back at the child's face only to stop just in front of it. The child wins if he does not flinch, proving he has "faith in God's laws" — in this case, that a swinging object will never come back higher than the point from which it took off.

Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education, which tracks creationist programs, said traditional creationists like Mr. Hovind had in fact given up on building intellectual credibility years ago.

"They have been going the grass-roots mainstream route for at least 20 years," she said. "So I'm not surprised they are the ones sponsoring group vacations and theme parks and things like that."

Dinosaur Adventure Land, tucked behind a highway lined with car dealerships in this metropolitan area of 425,000, sits next to Mr. Hovind's home and the offices of Creation Science Evangelism, which he said he founded in 1989. Mr. Hovind is well known in Pensacola, and even in a region where religious billboards almost outnumber commercial ones he is controversial. Escambia County sued him in 2000 after he refused to get a $50 permit before building his theme park, saying the government had no authority over a church.

Just last week Internal Revenue Service agents used a search warrant to remove financial documents from Mr. Hovind's home and offices, saying he was not paying taxes and had neither a business license nor tax-exempt status for his enterprises.

Mr. Hovind did not want to discuss the I.R.S. investigation, saying only, "I don't have any tax obligations."

The man who calls himself Dr. Dino is also controversial among creationists, some of whom say he discredits their movement with some of his pseudo-scientific claims. Mr. Hovind got into a dispute in 2002 with Answers in Genesis, when he took issue with an article it published called "Arguments We Think Creationists Should Not Use." One such argument was that footprints found in Texas proved that man and dinosaurs coexisted; Mr. Hovind said he considered the argument, now abandoned by many creationists, valid. Mr. Hovind said he gave 700 lectures a year and that 38,000 people had visited his park, at $7 a head. According to a map that invites visitors to pinpoint their hometown, most come from the Florida Panhandle and from Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee.

Rachel Painter, camp director at the Alpha Omega Institute, which runs several creationist family summer camps in Colorado, said creationist vacations had gained popularity as the number of Christian home-schooling families had grown. The institute started its camps 18 years ago with 4 families per session, she said, but now up to 18 attend each, and from more states.

Wade and Joan Killingsworth, who belong to a home-schooling coalition called Solid Rock Christian School, said they took their children to Colonial Williamsburg over spring break and came to Dinosaur Adventure Land because it was similarly educational. But they and the Passmores, who traveled from Alabama with eight minivans of like-minded families, said this type of road trip had far more to offer.

"We've been to museums, discovery centers, where you have to sit there and take the evolutionary stuff," Mr. Passmore said. "It feels good for them to finally hear it in a public place, something that reinforces their beliefs."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevo; crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; hovind; themepark
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To: Triple Word Score
I don't want to get into a flame war here, but your view of the bible is really false. It seems there's a lot of emotional judgment there, and not much objective observation.

If you've run into people, mind you, who claim to live as the bible says, and they have been real creeps, I understand. I have met plenty of those myself. But to project that onto the book itself isn't cool.
41 posted on 05/01/2004 4:21:45 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: Triple Word Score
Who has had custody of the text of the Bible since it was handed to humans? Who translated it?

Yes, we all know their have been translation errors, but for the most part they are minor.

It's illogical (at least to me) to pray to a God who you trust to run the universe and reveal knowledge of it to you, and then think that He's not big enough to "guide" the delivery and translation of His Word to us.

Simply not logical thinking.

42 posted on 05/01/2004 4:22:08 AM PDT by AmericaUnited (It's time someone says the emperor has no clothes.)
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To: AmericaUnited
Interesting compilation. The earliest year of birth is 1452, the most recent, 1852. The average year of birth for this group is 1755. Half were born before 1796. The pace of scientific discovery has been picking up yet your lists contain no one born in the last 150 years. Why do you think that is?
43 posted on 05/01/2004 4:22:15 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem..)
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To: AmericaUnited
Gee, about 99% of those guys were born before the publication of "The Origin of Species" and the majority DIED before the publication of "The Origin of Species."

Also, going through the list, almost every scientist there was later proven wrong about something; Newton, for all his genius, wasted an immense amount of time on the occult and goofy alchemy stuff.

A comparative list of scientists born AFTER 1859 and their discoveries is going to be pretty heavily weighted towards evolutionists.

44 posted on 05/01/2004 4:27:28 AM PDT by John H K
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To: AmericaUnited
That's a great list. In my own humble opinion, Newton was one of the select elite intellectuals of human history, in the class of Da Vinci and Einstein. A brilliant man.

What could men like that accomplish with the resources of our time? Could you imagine Da Vinci with a supercomputer?
45 posted on 05/01/2004 4:28:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: general_re
Well, on the plus side, when the fundamentalist Moslems finally conquer the U.S., it won't be a major cultural shock to these folks.
46 posted on 05/01/2004 4:28:31 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: John H K
Newton, for all his genius, wasted an immense amount of time on the occult and goofy alchemy stuff.

Edison also 'wasted' lots of time on inventions that didn't work.

47 posted on 05/01/2004 4:29:34 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: Junior
Well, on the plus side, when the fundamentalist Moslems finally conquer the U.S., it won't be a major cultural shock to these folks.

Much like the Israelis, you better realize that the 'bible-thumpers' are the best friends you've got in times like these.

48 posted on 05/01/2004 4:31:26 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: ovrtaxt
One could make the observation that the great scientists on that list, in addition to being creationists, also all likely didn't believe in neutrons, as neutrons hadn't been discovered till 1932.

So is the list evidence that neutrons don't exist?
49 posted on 05/01/2004 4:31:50 AM PDT by John H K
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To: AmericaUnited; Triple Word Score
It's illogical (at least to me) to pray to a God who you trust to run the universe and reveal knowledge of it to you, and then think that He's not big enough to "guide" the delivery and translation of His Word to us.

Well, "guide" is a very flexible and subjective term (not here by accident) but I would note that it is no more illogical to think that the Bible could be distorted via human translation than it is illogical to think Free Will exists in a Christian universe, the same Free Will via which the Bible ultimately channels...

50 posted on 05/01/2004 4:32:23 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: John H K
No, it's evidence that if you go around insulting creationists, you are slinging crap at some pretty impressive scientists.
51 posted on 05/01/2004 4:33:31 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
God gave us a brain for a reason, TO THINK!,

Amen, brother! Creationists are like the last servant in the Parable of the Talents, who hid the talents given to him because he was afraid the master wouldn't approve of his investing them. You know, Jesus was speaking directly to these people in that story, but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

52 posted on 05/01/2004 4:36:12 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: ovrtaxt
No, it's evidence that if you go around insulting creationists, you are slinging crap at some pretty impressive scientists.

Well, one thing I would point out is that for many of these scientists there is little evidence that they were "creationists" as the term is commonly applied today. In modern parlance, "creationism" means literalism - someone who believes the Bible is literally true verbatim, with a typical fetish for Genesis in particular. The fact that some historical scientist mentioned the Creator in some context (which is usually all it amounts to with these citations) hardly means that they believed the Bible to be literal history, or that they would have persisted in that belief following familiarization with natural selection theory.

53 posted on 05/01/2004 4:40:17 AM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: ovrtaxt
Gosh, the idea that some mathematician who lived 200 years before the idea of evolution was even partially developed, and probably devoted about 2 minutes of his life to thinking about biology, wasn't an evolutionist just SHATTERS my confidence in evolution. (snicker.)

99% of all geologists prior to about 1960 or so didn't believe in plate tectonics, including some extremely bright people who made many important discoveries.

That's not an argument against plate tectonics.

And of course, at root, given the usual creationidiot standards of research, it would be unwise to blindly accept claim that everyone on the provided list was an ardent creationist without fully reading all of their papers and life's work. I'm guessing a lot of these guys simply never mentioned evolution (not surprising for the majority who lived before the "Origin of Species" was published, or for whom biology/naturalism wasn't their field of study) and therefore get tossed into the "creationist" bucket.
54 posted on 05/01/2004 4:47:15 AM PDT by John H K
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To: AmericaUnited
...slept like a baby...

I hate it when that happens -- having to get up every two hours to use the facilities and get something to eat...

55 posted on 05/01/2004 4:47:36 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I'm a God-fearing Catholic. "Bible thumpers" are a small minority of scientifically-ignorant fundamentalist Protestants who operate more out of fear of the intellectual than out of conviction. They are no more my "best friends" than fundamentalist Moslems, and for pretty much the same reasons -- both groups want to turn back progress because the rest of the world has pretty much passed them by.
56 posted on 05/01/2004 4:55:07 AM PDT by Junior (Remember, you are unique, just like everyone else.)
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To: John H K
First, almost every scientist could be proven wrong about some idea of theirs. Therefore that point of yours means absolutely nothing.

Second,I do not know if anyone has ever been able to prove that Darwinian evolution is "true." If you can point me to such proof, please do so.

Even if Darwinian evolution is considered "true" today, it could certainly be proven "untrue" tomorrow. If that is the case, then your second point means nothing.

The central point in this whole debate is whether the Bible is true or not. Evolution raises some serious theological questions. First, the Bible says the wages of sin is death. If there were billions of years preceding the rise of humans and the introduction of sin into the world, what accounted for all of that death?

Second, other places in the Bible refer to the creation of the world. Exodus 20 for example says that God made the world in six days and rested on the seventh. If that statement is not true, then how can you establish the truth of any biblical statement. For example, how can one establish the validity of the virgin birth of Christ, His resurrection, His divinity, His promised return, or the promise of eternity?

If texts referring to origins are debatable because of relatively modern theories that seem cogent and are accepted by "scientists," why should any of these biblical ideas be accepted? They certainly seem to be contrary to "scientific" principles. Should they be discarded as well? If so, you would be left with a Bible that is eviscerated.

The only relevant inquiry in the end is what is the source of "truth?" Is it something determined by the finite minds of feeble men, or does it reside in the Almighty? In order for us to know truth, we must possess omniscience and omnipresence. You must be able to be everywhere to find truth and have the ability to truly know everything.

I do not think that any mere man could make such a claim. Therefore, it would be simply impossible for mortal finite men to establish truth.

57 posted on 05/01/2004 5:23:12 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Junior
Say Junior, if you are a God fearing Catholic, you would no doubt desire to follow the teachings of your own Church. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that we are to "love" our "enemies." That means you are to love people who hate you. You appear to be showing alot of contempt for Bible believing Protestants who have not even declared any animosity to you, my friend.

Therefore, it appears that you do not follow the teachings of your own church. One could, therefore, conclude, quite logically, that you are not a "God fearing Roman Catholic."

Unless, of course, you really didn't mean to say that. But in that case, you have shown that your own words cannot be trusted. You would be proven to be untruthful and unreliable. Therefore, you would be unable to make an evaluation of anything that purports to be "true" because you are prone to error and falsehood.

Kind of sucks, doesn't it?

58 posted on 05/01/2004 5:32:48 AM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Central Scrutiniser; PatrickHenry
Well, freedom means that the ignorant can go to Mr. Hovind's park and live in their fantasy world. Oh well.

Couldn't have put it better. Pity the poor unsuspecting children who grow up sheltered from the opportunity to make their decisions based on inquiry, observation and reasoning.

59 posted on 05/01/2004 5:35:22 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: AntiGuv
Point taken.

However, the fact that many scientists take Darwin for a kook shouldn't call into question their intelligence or commitment to the scientific process. It's as if Darwin's theories are some sort of litmus test.

And since there's plenty of evidence to back up various theories of natural history, these crevo debates are silly. I rarely post on these threads because everyone seems to have made up their mind already.
60 posted on 05/01/2004 5:37:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Of course, my parasitic twin has a completely different opinion.)
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