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fyi I'm not a troll or disrupter, as I've been an active member of Free Republic since January 2001.

-paulsy

"Paul- The Shrub you so blindly follow is a mean-spirited greedy idiot, and you can't blame mainstream media sources for finally recognizing his lack of clothing.

He was not elected by a majority, he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority, most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration. He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Remember, it was leaked before the mid-term election, by a White House source, that the sudden irrational run up to the war with Iraq was a matter of "marketing". On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing". Now, as the biggest gunslinger on the block, we as a country can expect to be the target of every oppressed political animal in the world with weapons and imagination. Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world. We are undeniably a world bully now, and there is no realistic chance of a meaningful international consensus on any issue while the Shrub Man speaks for us.

You might be thinking of saying "well, Sadam was bad and his demise and capture are good things." (Shrub Man borrows from Martha Stewart, if you didn't notice.) The same thing could have, and I think would have, happened had Shrub Man not announced to the world that he was going to do it with or without international support. Indeed, for many years even Arab countries wanted to get rid of him but we( R's and D's) helped put Sadam in power and protected him.

And just think, so far at least five times as many people have died in the Shrub's dirty little war as died in 9/11. ( Hell, the tobacco industry kills as many people as died in 9/11, EVERY 2 1/2 DAYS). People continue dying every day in the war while Shrub Man hunkers down in the safest and most luxurious places on earth, bellowing "BRING IT ON !".

As for the different views on whether Shrub Man's tax policies add up, I certainly don't know whose math is right. I know the Washington Times is not considered by most people to be objective or main stream; it is decidedly right wing. (Wasn't it started up to punish the Washington Post for exposing Watergate?) I'm no fan of Newsweek either; with very few exceptions it repeats whatever the powers-that-be want it to. However, wasn't Newsweek reporting on the total federal income tax bills while the W. Times only mentions the effect of isolated provisions? If so, both of their math calculations could be correct, but the W Times is comparing apples to oranges. A more meaningful analysis would include the necessary increases in state, local and sales taxes. The fact is Shrub Man has not only made the tax structure more regressive, his wildly irresponsible spending and tax cutting for the rich have greatly increased the tax burden for future generations, and put the economy in peril for the foreseeable future.

Paul, what I think is going on is that the mainstream media and a lot of the country have been giving Shrub Man "WAR president" status since 9/11, along with the benefit of every doubt, since that is what happens when a president is responding to an emergency. Shrub Man, and his shrubbers, took full advantage of this status to advance their political agenda (check out wages, health care, education, the environment, individual rights, or anything else they could sell out) without the normal scrutiny radical changes would normally be subject to, and are running the country into the dirt. Shrub Man killed his golden goose by trying to crassly campaign as a "WAR president", and he's been called on it. He can't fool most of the people all of the time. Now, finally, the normal scrutiny is returning, eyes are opening, the emperor is nekkid, and he is only starting to get the attention he deserves. Open your eyes and get used to it. Julian is right and you seem so be looking for some sand to put your head in.

I think there may be other explanations for your reduced tax bill, if you would be candid about it. I know my tax bill is down, but that's because as a lawyer representing poor and working people who've had their civil rights violated under a regime that favors only rich and corporate interests, my income is down. I give Shrub Man full credit.

I'm yellow dog with a full bladder who's found his Shrub. BRING IT ON!"

1 posted on 04/11/2004 6:26:13 AM PDT by paulsy
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It's impossible to argue with ignorance. Save your breath for someone who will listen.
61 posted on 04/11/2004 7:10:00 AM PDT by Minuteman23
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Send him this

http://members.cox.net/macallan_the/GW/GWBush1_Start.htm
62 posted on 04/11/2004 7:10:54 AM PDT by PaulaB (Jesus Christ is the only Way)
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Maybe start with explainin how the Electoral College voting system works,(remind him how the shrub actually got more votes than bubbafucco in both of his elections). Also, did your Uncle ever see the final tallies in Florida that his left wing media concluded?
63 posted on 04/11/2004 7:14:33 AM PDT by jungleboy
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This might be a good time for an application of the wise adage, "Never argue with a fool -- bet him money."
64 posted on 04/11/2004 7:14:48 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: paulsy
Wish him a happy and holy Easter.
66 posted on 04/11/2004 7:21:30 AM PDT by rmgatto (lux et veritas (not heat))
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To: paulsy
People like this are usually a waste of time...but...

He was not elected by a majority

He WAS elected by a majority of ELECTORs. That's how it works.

he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority

The same "fiercely right wing" court that constantly upholds the "right" to abortion?

most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, This may be true. But if he considers Souter and Sandy "fiercely right wing", he is a first class moron.

He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 I'm not in fear. Perhaps he and his liberal panty-waist friends need a big soothing hug. Be sure to ask him where he keeps his testicles.

From here on, he gets really loony.

67 posted on 04/11/2004 7:21:49 AM PDT by Grit (www.NRSC.org)
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After having him checked for rabbies and distemper, I would have him neutered so he cannot spread the disease.

Then perhaps change your name and move to another town.
68 posted on 04/11/2004 7:27:38 AM PDT by Edit35
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Is your uncle Chris Mathews??? I would say that he better get used to another 4 years! These people are not worth your time or blood pressure. The guy is just another brain dead Dem who speaks in cliches. You may inform him that Kerry is worth $750,000,000 from outsourced cheap child non-living wage funds? Ask him if he is going to vote for Dean or this phony???

Pray for W and The Truth

69 posted on 04/11/2004 7:29:14 AM PDT by bray (Hey Yaaaawn, why don't YOU give $750,000,000 to the gummit!)
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My prayers for you - the guy is a hopeless, delusional lefty.

Unfortunately liberal thougtht is shaped via emotion; common sense is not a realistic alternative.

No matter what you say, no matter how much you attempt to reason with him, you will fail. They travel the road that is least reasoned.

He is blind to the truth and will follow the holy grail of liberalism wherever it should lead him.

People like him finally "get it" when world wars are upon us. It is not in their mindset to believe that these wars could have been avoided if their cause was addressed early and forcefully.

Just tell him to pick up some history books that detail what lead up to WWII; ask him to study the real story of what forced the Christian crusades. We are reliving those times once again - it is as it was.

If he is intellectually honest - he may see things as they are after doing so.
71 posted on 04/11/2004 7:32:25 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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I would put his e-mail address on spam alert, so he can't e-mail you anymore.
I would NOT try to communicate with this fool.
If he is that stupid, you will NOT be able to change his mind.
The best thing to do is just ignore him, and save your sanity.
72 posted on 04/11/2004 7:35:58 AM PDT by DeaconRed (God Bless our Troops! ! ! ! !)
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Sounds like Ted Kennedy after happy hour.
73 posted on 04/11/2004 7:41:08 AM PDT by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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You could even block his emails - no response from you will drive him crazier than he is.
74 posted on 04/11/2004 7:45:09 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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He has kept the country in fear since 9/11...

In fear of what? The only fear I can think of is that the great unwashed will believe this kind of BS and vote in our demise.

Of course, folks with a criminal bent are always in fear of discovery, and he IS a lawyer (leech)....

75 posted on 04/11/2004 7:51:59 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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The answer is very easy at this time of year. It is Easter! Simply tell him that you, and you are sure, all other right thinking folks, forgive him.

Tell him you understand his pain and self-loathing. Tell him you understand his shame at having supported Willie, the lying scumbag and lying time and time again to support him. Tell him that it is natural for him to take that self-hatred and point it at some innocemt (in this case, Bush) in an effort to relieve his own pain.

Tell him that you know he would aim the blind self-disgust as anyone else and if it wasn't Bush, it might be another relative, his boss, a baseball player, an advisor (like a broker or tax preparer). Tell him that he should not be concerned about his foolish stupidity and should understand that it is irrational and without factual support. Tell him that, despite all of this, you forgive him. He may be too stupid to understand forgiveness but at least it will piss him off.

76 posted on 04/11/2004 7:54:16 AM PDT by Tacis
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Paulsy, there is one thing I have learned about people if I have learned anything. You can not educate the willfully ignorant.
77 posted on 04/11/2004 7:56:48 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr
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Don't waste your breath. Just pack your bags and move 3000 miles away from him. That's the only way you can get along with them.
78 posted on 04/11/2004 7:58:37 AM PDT by Lynda
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About I could come up is, "I'm trying to see things from your point of view, but, I can't get my head that far up my ass."
79 posted on 04/11/2004 8:02:55 AM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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To: paulsy
The man is a lawyer. Short of death, there is no cure.

My policy is to never argue with an ignorant man.
81 posted on 04/11/2004 8:05:32 AM PDT by bert (Save People.... Kill Terrorists)
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Paulsy, I feel for you, man. Your uncle is irrational and identifies himself as a yellow dog Dem. I agree with many of the other posters that nothing you can say will change your irrational uncle's hate-filled mind. He has bought the liberal lie hook, line and sinker and is so filled with hate for Bush that he doesn't see that the Dems have NOTHING substantive to offer. All they want is to get rid of Bush and your uncle goes along with it.

My advice? Send him a response that reads "Whatever, Uncle (his name). We'll just have to agree to disagree because we are never going to be able to discuss this rationally. Happy Easter. Love, Paulsy", then get on with your life and don't spend anymore time worrting about what your uncle thinks - he doesn't.
82 posted on 04/11/2004 8:05:57 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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I'll take them all on, one by one: "He was not elected by a majority,"

Most Presidents are elected by a plurality of the vote (less than 50%) as witnessed by Bush getting more of the popular vote in 2000 than Clinton did in both terms in the 90s.

In fact, since you brought up mandate, Bush has a bigger mandate (from the people at the ballot box) then Clinton ever did, but the larger question is why did the DNC loose so badly in 2000 *and* *again* in 2002 ? (of course his liberal leaders won't want him to see this reality)


"he was anointed by a fiercely right wing supreme court majority,"
The cold reality is that Gore didn't have a good case, and the USSC saw that as the rest of the country did. Gore and the rest of the DNC did a huge disservice to their country when they protested the statewide recount and went on to contest a certified election when they had a very weak legal case. They did a great disservice to the tradition of clean and fair elections both in Florida, and across the USA.

BTW, Where is David Bois these days? David Bois, the Clinton shill who spent more of the governments time and money going after Microsoft than they did after AQ ? David Bois who brought the weakest cases in recent memory before the USSC and lost so bad? Is he negotiating a new shoe contract? No. Because he's a looser, and the case he brought was a looser, but the DNC was so blind with their lust for power, they couldn't see the obvious.


"most of whom owe their positions to the Shrub man's father and party, undermining the court's legitimacy and that of the Shrub's administration."


His name if George W. Bush, brother of Jeb Bush, 43rd President of these United States of America, and his father is George H. Bush, husband of Barbara Bush, the 41st President of these United States, both of whom have served this country well and deserve to be addressed by their names.


"He has kept the country in fear since 9/11 and sought to campaign as a WAR president, because most war presidents have an easier time passing legislation and getting reelected. He even created a war for that purpose. Remember, it was leaked before the midterm election, by a White House source, that the sudden irrational run up to the war with Iraq was a matter of "marketing". On the way to Iraq he undid decades' of diplomacy and alienated all of our traditional allies and others whose support we might have expected, except for those he bought or frightened into being "willing". "
On your first point, AQ and their affiliates, have done the job of keeping us in fear of my people being killed where they live since they openly declared war on the United States in the 90s. Their actions since 9/11 don't need to be translated by the POTUS or anybody else. Their actions speak volumes, they want to kill you and I right here and right now where you and I both live:


2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Russian concert bombing
2003 Philippines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
2003 Ticrit Mosque Bombing
2003 Neveh Shalom Synagogue Bombing in Istanbul, Turkey November 15, 2003
2004 Moscow subway bombing 39 people and wounding as more than 120
"Russia doesn't conduct negotiations with terrorists -- it destroys them," Putin said.
2004 Madrid - 3/11, 10 bombs, 200 Innocent dead, 1500 injured.


"Now, as the biggest gunslinger on the block, "

I'm happy that you recognize that the USA is the world last remaining super power in the world today with a responsibility to lead. This is an important point.

"we as a country can expect to be the target of every oppressed political animal in the world with weapons and imagination. "
Terrorism is a breach of civil rights. Why do you defend this breach of civil right? Who on earth lead you to th masochistic delusion that 3000 dead should be an excusable daily event and serve to inform our foreign policy?
"Oh yeah, we've also lost our position (as if we ever really held or deserved it) as the beacon of hope and freedom for the world. We are undeniably a world bully now"
Terrorism is a breach of civil rights that is recognized by more countries on this planet than any other. I consider defending that right, and many others, to be a noble cause and just because you consider "terrorism an acceptable form of political speech" doesn't give you the right to provide a political safe haven for more killing.

Don't be a masochist.


" and there is no realistic chance of a meaningful international consensus on any issue while the Shrub Man speaks for us. "

Why is it that todays liberal thinks the word "unilateral" is a french translation for "without france"? The fact is the United States needs to continue to earn allies both in Europe, as we've done with he UK and others, and in the middle east, by keeping our promise to Kuwait, and continuing to provide stability to the region, and besides going to war without the french is like going hunting without an accordian player. :) Bush was honest and upfront from the beining of his response to the act of war that was 9/11 and kept his word that he would stick by the allies who stuck by us. The cold reality that your liberal leaders don't want you to see is that Bush has done more to keep and earn allies in this century than any other president in my lifetime.


" You might be thinking of saying "well, Sadam was bad and his demise and capture are good things." (Shrub Man borrows from Martha Stewart, if you didn't notice.) The same thing could have, and I think would have, happened had Shrub Man not announced to the world that he was going to do it with or without international support. "
Bush *did* say that he was going to do it with or without international support. He said it over and over. He told the truth, and stuck to his word and finally followed through on the Clinton eara policy of regime change in the country.


Let's stop pussie footing around here and cut to the chase.

You think Bush overreacted to 9/11. This is pretty much the some total of the rest of your soon-to-be-an-8th-graders-term-paper rant

Overreacting would have been, on the afternoon of September 11th, 2001, when George W. Bush was in the bunker in the Midwest somewhere, launching a missile attack against Meca, Medina, Kabul and Baghdad. That would have been fully justified, given the act of war against our country that was 9/11. Did Bush overreact in that moment and reach for the button ? No. He kept a clear head and a calm heart under unbelievable pressure and has defeated 2 of our declared enemies in the course of 18 months.

That wouldn't have arrested or killed 2/3 of AQ. That wouldn't have driven the Taliban from Afghanistan, and it wouldn't have defeated the worlds worst socialist dictator. Bush has done all that and what's more, he's done it with a casualty rate of less than 1%. He doesn't have a single credible military detractor.

When I'm living in a time when a President is willing to risk so much and deliver victory after victory the least you and I could do is vote for the man who had done more to earn all our votes than any other American alive today.

86 posted on 04/11/2004 8:12:39 AM PDT by ChadGore (Mach 7 !)
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