Tomorrow you will watch the destruction of an American Aircraft Carrier

Northeast Intelligence Network ^ | 03/29/04 | Source

[Rightone]

Arabic posting:

[Robert_Paulson2]

an email from a "friend" is a lot easier on the blood pressure than a "visit from a friend".

(:-|)

[btcusn]

The "S**tty Kitty" is haze-gray and underway at the moment.
And I was leary about saying her real name(BG).
And we called the JFK the can-opener.
Jack

[Poohbah]

When I was on the Coral Sea in 1989, we joked that the Russians would do more damage to the ship if they used rust remover instead of explosives in their missiles :o)

[johnfrink]

And note the mother of all disclaimers at the end of the "prediction":

"But if the leading target remains then the attack was expected and it will be postponed."

Translation: This will happen, unless it doesn't happen, in which case you will know that it did not happen, even though it was planned to happen.

[JimRed]

I know that, but how does an aircraft get close enough for a collision with an aircraft carrier and not get shot down?

It doesn't. Within two hundred miles it would be looked over, warned off and /or destroyed.

[js1138]

It happened, but that was before it didn't happen.

[Muzzle_em]

"Maybe the carrier's own crew? A muslim infiltrator setting off a nuclear weapon??"

This could happen.

You know, it is a shame that it would take something like THIS to get through the thick skulls of some of the idiots in this country.

[TopDog2]

And, unless they claimed responsibility, no one would ever know...

[jerseygirl]

Nuclear land mine bought from North Korea ?

[Southack]

"Arabic posting: "Tomorrow you will watch the destruction of an American Aircraft Carrier"

Real world translation: Tomorrow this Arabic source will be revealed as yet another in the endless stream of radical-Islamic liars.

They don't build cars. They don't build planes. They don't write professional software, and they don't tell the truth.

[solitas]

That's interesting. I hadn't known that about today's torpedoes.

However, the initial posting was with regard to a nuclear device and, I didn't think about it until after my posting: I wonder if just the initial impulse from the explosion ('way before the bubbles got there to upset bouyancy) would kill the hull - water being a good low-freq coupling mechanism and the acceleration/impulse being so high and well distributed?

[Paul C. Jesup]

Ahh, it feels so good to know that stupidity still reigns in terrorism.

You should only gloat until after you achieve your objective.

[GATOR NAVY]

That's USS Enterprise (CVN-65), not Kitty Hawk.

[Vigilantcitizen]

Well, if I were trying to get a jetliner close enough to an aircraft carrier to crash it then I would charter a plane, submit a flight plan that would take it over the carrier, follow the flight plan until I'm overhead or close to it, and then just dive into the carrier at maximum velocity.

There's one problem with that scenario...

It's called Phalanx, a nasty anti-aircraft defense system installed on carriers that slings 3,000 rounds per minute of 20MM AA rounds at any aircraft that gets close.

Not that any aircraft would get that close to a carrier at sea to begin with. They are surrounded by cruisers, destroyers, and frigates armed with thousands of very accurate anti-aircraft missles, plus air power.

For terrorists to take out a carrier, it will have to be an inside job.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Test: Umbrella 
Time: 23:15 8 June 1958 (GMT)
11:15 9 June 1958 (local) 
Location: Enewetak lagoon 
Test Height and Type: Underwater, -150 feet 
Yield: 8 kt 

Umbrella was a DOD sponsored weapons effects test for a medium depth underwater explosion. A Mk-7 bomb was used for the test (30 inches in diameter, 54 inches long, device weight 825 lb.) in a heavy pressure vessel (total weight 7000 lb.). Very similar to the Wahoo device. The device was detonated on the lagoon bottom NNE of Mut (Henry) Island. An underwater crater 3000 feet across and 20 feet deep was produced.

[Fitzcarraldo]

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Wigwam.html

Operation Wigwam

Test: Wigwam 
Time: 21:00 14 May 1955 (GMT)
13:00 14 May 1955 (PDT) 
Location: Pacific Ocean 
Test Height and Type: Underwater, -2000 ft 
Yield: 30 kt 

Operation Wigwam consisted of a single nuclear detonation, (both the operation and test are known as Wigwam), conducted 400-500 miles SW of San Diego, California(about 29 Deg N, 126 Deg W). It was a deep water test (the ocean is 16,000 feet deep at that point) to investigate the vulnerability of submarines to deep nuclear weapons, and the feasibility of using depth bombs in combat (there was considerable concern about problems with surface contamination). The test device was a B-7 (Mk-90) Betty depth bomb that was suspended by a 2000 ft cable from a barge. The dry weight of the bomb was 8250 lb, 5700 lb when submerged.

6800 personnel on 30 ships participated in Wigwam. A 6 mile tow-line connected the fleet tug, Tawasa and the shot barge. Suspended from this line at varying ditances from the barge were three "Squaws" - sub-scale submarine-like pressure hulls equipped with instruments and cameras.

The ships conducting the test were 5 miles upwind from the barge, with the exception of the USS George Eastman (YAG-39) and USS Granville S. Hall (YAG-40). These two ships were equipped with heavy shielding and were stationed 5 miles downwind. Both ships were contaminated by the base surge, but due to the relatively dilute radioactivity (since the shot was at such a great depth) and the heavy shielding kept exposures within the Operation Wigwam dose limit of 3.9 rems. Nearly all personnel were issued film badges to measure radiation exposure, and some 10,000 badges were processed. Only 3 personnel were measured as having doses exceeding 0.5 rems.

[Hatteras]

Very interesting pic. Question: Do you know what caused the contrails out in front of the blast? Is that some form of shockwave?

[solitas]

H: I thought they launched contrail-generating missiles just before a blast to try to map their distortion/movement as a result of the shockwave. You usually see vertical lines like those in the classic desert explosions.

F: Wow. Awesome. Thanks for the link! I plan on checking out THAT site pretty thoroughly. :)

[solitas]

I was wrong about the contrails. This link explains it.

[Glock17]

More than once I've actually seen FB change by > 30 degrees within minutes after pushing from Marshall. Seems like they will find the only thunderstorm within a hundred miles just to make up for the fact they're dragging a screw and can only make 15 kts of wind without the assistance of convective activity.