Secrets of Timothy McVeigh

LA Weekly ^ | 3/26/2004 | Jim Crogan

[Peach]

Not that Clarke has any credibility left, but since so many others, including Congressmen, want to reopen the OKC investigation, I thought this tidbit in Clarke's book was interesting:


On page 127 of Clarke's new book "Against All Enemies", Clarke notes that it's possible that al Qaida operatives in the Phillipes "taught Terry Nichols how to blow up the Oklahoma Federal Building." Intelligence places Nichols there on the same days as Ramzi Yousef, and "we do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippines stay and were deadly when he returned."

And yet, the Clinton administration focused exclusively on homegrown terrorists, and never talked publicly about this matter. Laurie Mylroie, formerly of the Clinton administration, and others, have since talked about the Iraqi connection to the OKC bombing frequently.

[wjersey]

Jayna Davis's new book about this will be out April 15th.

[LurkedLongEnough]

Jayna Davis's new book about this will be out April 15th.

Probably more like, say, April 19...

[M. Peach]

Here is Jayna's website:

http://www.phillytalkradioonline.com/davis/index.html

There are members of the Bush Administration that feel Saddam was behind the OKC Bombing. What I can't understand is why they wouldn't pursue this with a passion to silence the liberals and UN who insist we should have never liberated Iraq.

[Dick Vomer]

FBI was too busy with Christian child abusers in Waco and shooting mothers holding kids up in Idaho.

Those are the "real" security threats that Janet Reno and Clinton were concerned with.

Thank God that they dealt with those threats otherwise.... we'd have a bunch of kids living in a Waco makeshift shanty town with bible reading gun nuts or a isolationist, white guy living in back country of Idaho with his son, wife and infant.

[wjersey]

Here's the updated website with the book info -- JaynaDavis.com

[js1138]

Maybe timing is eveything.

[sneakers]

bump

[mercy]

There is no truth in them. They speak what the Father of Lies tells them to say. We pay them to do this.

[Cicero]

There's some stuff in this article I haven't seen before, and I thought I knew most of what was to know about this case.

Still more evidence of FBI stonewalling and refusal to take evidence. I don't see how the new trial can bring any of this to light as long as these same FBI agents are still in the FBI, and many of them have been promoted for helping clinton and Reno cover up what really happened. They are hardly likely to testify if it will demonstrate their own involvement. They have a huge investment in continuing to cover this up.

Nothing short of a serious shakeup of the FBI by a really strong director like Rudy Giuliani can possibly fix this mess. And the CIA and BATF are known to be involved too.

[Jim_Curtis]

The left became sanctimonious as soon as McVeigh was grabbed about how it wasn't Middle Easterners like the "reactionary right" blamed as soon as the bomb went off. They were trying to pin it on Rush Limbaugh and they were in a blue eyed homegrown terrorists euphoria, the left was ecstatic.

There is no way they were gonna eat crow...evidence be damned.

[L`enn]

I think one good thing that will come out from the 9-11 Commission is it will reemphasize what a waste of human flesh Janet Reno really was, and the dangers a liberal issues type AG presents, not just the policies one promotes, but the serious issues one relegates to lower tier priority.

[ladyinred]

For some reason, I think we can all guess why, the Clinton administration didn't want there to be a middle east connection to the OKC bombing. All of us watching it live heard over and over the first day or so about John Doe 1 and 2 and that they were middle eastern.

Clinton did use this horrific bombing to discredit the right, and Rush Limbaugh. I suppose a Middle East connection wouldn't harm the religious right and talk radio? Also, investigative reporters found connections to Iraq, you know that place we shouldn't have gone to war against? What a web of deceit Mr. Clarke.

[Qwinn]

"What I can't understand is why they wouldn't pursue this with a passion to silence the liberals and UN who insist we should have never liberated Iraq."

Good question. I have no idea. I'm -sick- of having liberals say "Even Bush admits there was no evidence of a link between Iraq and 9/11", when there is -plenty-.

Qwinn

[PGalt]

So true, so true.

[job]

Me too. I live in OK, I followed Jayna's stories and reporting as they happened. I don't ever recall the detail about the motel owner's testimony, to me a truly compelling story. Plus, the license plate. What was the number, who did it belong to, why in the hell didn't the FBI look at this tag? The story about the diesel fumes ring true to anyone who has worked around trucks at all. Also, the story about the other parties with McVeigh, it is very compelling.

As I have posted here before, I was only about 5 miles away from downtown, so the cloud immediately after the blast. Probably within about 5 minutes, it was broadcast that the FBI had an APB out for a brown pickup with two middle eastern men driving fast away from the scene. How in the hell did this get started if there was not some truth to it, if someone did not see such a thing.

And as looney as Clarke is, there was something that intrigued me. He stated McVeigh's bombs did not work prior to going to Phillipines. I didn't know they knew he had tried to test bombs before. Clarke places McVeigh in the Phillipines same time with Ramzi, plus Phillipines has huge Islam contingency, Abu Sayaff, Nichols has Phillipino wife.

The Democrats are afraid of this story. My feeling is that Clinton knew that an active participation by Iraquis would demand action, and he did not want military action to distract from his focus on the economy, aside from the fact that I don't think he had the stomach, moral conviction, to fight a just war. If there is a connection made, and it is shown that Clinton administration gave a directive not to follow certain leads, Clinton's life service would be negated and known only for what is at best a dereliction of duty, and at worst, a treasonous act.

[Shermy]

"June 9, 2001 | The main thing Joann Van Buren says she remembers about Timothy McVeigh is the $50 bill he wanted her to break. That, and the two men who accompanied him.

One day before he tore a hole in the nation's psyche with the bomb that destroyed Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building, McVeigh, Van Buren says, pulled up to the little Subway sandwich shop where she worked in Junction City, Kansas, driving the yellow Ryder truck that would contain the bomb.

Van Buren didn't pay any particular attention to them at first. Another clerk waited on the men, but when they tried to pay for their meal with a large bill, she took notice.

"As soon as the $50 bill came up, I had to go to the safe to get the change," says Van Buren today. "And when I gave them the change and they got their sandwiches, I remember them going back over to the corner, sitting down. And when they left, I remember three people getting into the truck. There were three people at the table."

The clerks she worked with later told FBI agents that two of the men matched the descriptions of McVeigh and his cohort, Terry Nichols. The third was a shorter, dark-haired and muscular man with an olive complexion: a perfect fit for the figure destined to be known as John Doe 2.

Luckily, the Subway shop actually had a video camera recording that day's events. When Van Buren contacted the FBI, agents interviewed everyone working in the shop on April 18. And when they were done, they confiscated the video recorded that day.

And never to be seen again...

The mystery of John Doe No. 2

[pending]

Yikes. I am not a conspiracy fan, But this one sure seems to fit.

maybe Nichols will tell the story if his life is on the line?

I have to believe, with Wolfowitz seeing Iraqi involvement that there will be some serious pressure on this one.
I hope...

What a boatload of bad memories. As I was being reminded of Reno, Waco, Ruby Ridge, war on Microsoft...there was Clinton on Fox news, making fun of young republicans who wear coats and ties.
Relentlessly lightweight creep.

[Ulysses]

bump for later