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To: Cicero
Me too. I live in OK, I followed Jayna's stories and reporting as they happened. I don't ever recall the detail about the motel owner's testimony, to me a truly compelling story. Plus, the license plate. What was the number, who did it belong to, why in the hell didn't the FBI look at this tag? The story about the diesel fumes ring true to anyone who has worked around trucks at all. Also, the story about the other parties with McVeigh, it is very compelling.

As I have posted here before, I was only about 5 miles away from downtown, so the cloud immediately after the blast. Probably within about 5 minutes, it was broadcast that the FBI had an APB out for a brown pickup with two middle eastern men driving fast away from the scene. How in the hell did this get started if there was not some truth to it, if someone did not see such a thing.

And as looney as Clarke is, there was something that intrigued me. He stated McVeigh's bombs did not work prior to going to Phillipines. I didn't know they knew he had tried to test bombs before. Clarke places McVeigh in the Phillipines same time with Ramzi, plus Phillipines has huge Islam contingency, Abu Sayaff, Nichols has Phillipino wife.

The Democrats are afraid of this story. My feeling is that Clinton knew that an active participation by Iraquis would demand action, and he did not want military action to distract from his focus on the economy, aside from the fact that I don't think he had the stomach, moral conviction, to fight a just war. If there is a connection made, and it is shown that Clinton administration gave a directive not to follow certain leads, Clinton's life service would be negated and known only for what is at best a dereliction of duty, and at worst, a treasonous act.
17 posted on 03/26/2004 8:16:19 PM PST by job (Dinsdale?Dinsdale?)
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To: job; Peach

"June 9, 2001 | The main thing Joann Van Buren says she remembers about Timothy McVeigh is the $50 bill he wanted her to break. That, and the two men who accompanied him.

One day before he tore a hole in the nation's psyche with the bomb that destroyed Oklahoma City's Murrah Federal Building, McVeigh, Van Buren says, pulled up to the little Subway sandwich shop where she worked in Junction City, Kansas, driving the yellow Ryder truck that would contain the bomb.

Van Buren didn't pay any particular attention to them at first. Another clerk waited on the men, but when they tried to pay for their meal with a large bill, she took notice.

"As soon as the $50 bill came up, I had to go to the safe to get the change," says Van Buren today. "And when I gave them the change and they got their sandwiches, I remember them going back over to the corner, sitting down. And when they left, I remember three people getting into the truck. There were three people at the table."

The clerks she worked with later told FBI agents that two of the men matched the descriptions of McVeigh and his cohort, Terry Nichols. The third was a shorter, dark-haired and muscular man with an olive complexion: a perfect fit for the figure destined to be known as John Doe 2.

Luckily, the Subway shop actually had a video camera recording that day's events. When Van Buren contacted the FBI, agents interviewed everyone working in the shop on April 18. And when they were done, they confiscated the video recorded that day.

And never to be seen again...

The mystery of John Doe No. 2

18 posted on 03/26/2004 8:39:29 PM PST by Shermy
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To: job
I think the real key that really starts to unravel this entire farce...is McVeigh driving this car of his...down the interstate...with no tag on it. When I heard this...I thought how many times in my entire life have I seen anyone on the interstate with no car tag? Never. And based on the fact that McVeigh wasn't a moran or complete dimwit...I find this entire story bogus. If McVeigh had done this all by himself, he would have parked his car downtown, a day or two before the episode...somehow walked (no one can show how he got to the truck rental place)...drove the rental truck to the target...got into his car...drove out of town (taking off the plates then) and proceeding down the interstate.

None of this jives. My guess is that is buddy or helper picked him up at the target site, transported him to this car (which the helper had already removed the plates without telling McVeigh) and McVeigh simply drove off figuring no one would have catch him. The helper is the mastermind of this entire deal...wanting to set McVeigh up and ensure he was the fallguy on the situation.
25 posted on 03/26/2004 10:39:17 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: job
My feeling is that Clinton knew that an active participation by Iraquis would demand action, and he did not want military action to distract from his focus on the economy, aside from the fact that I don't think he had the stomach, moral conviction, to fight a just war.

I think that's also the explanation for why clinton ordered his stooges in the FBI to cover up the real causes for bringing down TWA 800.

I'm persuaded by the evidence that it was a missile. There has always been some dispute as to whether the missile was fired by our own navy during live-fire excercises in that area, or by Muslim terrorists in a small boat. My own feeling is that it was terrorists. I don't think it would be possible to keep a secret like that this long if a naval ship were involved. Too many sailors would have heard about it. Even under threat the secret would have gotten out. More likely clinton just found it politically inconvenient to deal with a terrorist murder at that particular point, so he gave orders to hide the truth under the rug.

In the case of OKC, admitting that terrorists were involved would have reflected badly on clinton. Instead, he blamed the bombing on Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and mysterious "right-wing militias." By doing so he turned his whole election campaign around and shut the mouths of his most dangerous critics. Evidence suggests that he knew about the bombing beforehand--although it may have gone further than was planned--and he was all set to go with his big speech when it happened.

38 posted on 03/27/2004 7:58:35 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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