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Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill, heads to President Bush
03.25.03

Posted on 03/25/2004 3:57:58 PM PST by Coleus

Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill

WASHINGTON, March 25, 2004



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"This bill recognizes that there are two victims. It's as simple as that."
Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio



(AP) The Senate voted Thursday to make it a separate crime to harm a fetus during commission of a violent federal crime, a victory for those seeking to expand the legal rights of the unborn.

The 61-38 vote on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act sends the legislation, after a five-year battle in Congress, to President Bush for his signature. The White House said in a statement that it "strongly supports protection for unborn children." The House passed the bill last month.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the bill was "powerful because this act is about simple humanity, about simple reality."

But abortion rights lawmakers contended that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

It was the second big win for social conservatives pushing protections for the unborn following enactment of the so-called partial birth abortion ban last year. That ban is now tied up in the courts.

The Senate cleared the way for passage with a 50-49 vote to defeat an amendment, backed by opponents of the bill, that would have increased penalties but maintained that an attack on a pregnant woman was a single-victim crime.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., President Bush's opponent this fall, interrupted his campaign schedule to vote yes on the one-victim amendment. He voted no on final passage.

The bill states that an assailant who attacks a pregnant woman while committing a violent federal crime can be prosecuted for separate offenses against both the woman and her unborn child. The legislation defines an "unborn child" as a child in utero, which it says "means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

"This bill recognizes that there are two victims," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, a chief sponsor. Americans, he said, "intuitively know that there is a victim besides the mother."

The key obstacle was an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that would have imposed the same tougher penalties outlined in the DeWine bill but classified any attack on a pregnant woman as a single-victim crime, avoiding the issue of fetal rights and the question of when a person attains personhood.

Feinstein said that by defining when life begins, the bill was "the first step in removing a woman's right to choice, particularly in the early months of a pregnancy before viability." She said it could also chill embryonic stem cell research.

The Senate also defeated an amendment by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., that would require employers to give unpaid leave, and states to pay unemployment benefits, to women when they or family members are victims of domestic or sexual violence.

Supporters of the bill have named it after Laci Peterson and her unborn child, Conner, victims in the highly publicized murder case in California. California, one of 29 states with an unborn victims law, is trying Peterson's husband, Scott, on double murder charges.

Laci Peterson's stepfather, Ron Grantski, said at a Capitol Hill news conference that he and Laci's mother had received several hundred thousand sympathy cards and "they all mourned our loss of Laci and Conner — not Laci and the fetus."

The Senate bill covers 68 federal crimes of violence, such as drug-related shootings, violence at an international airport, terrorist attacks, crimes on a military base or threats against a witness in a federal proceeding.

It would specifically exclude prosecution of legally performed abortions — a fact supporters cite in arguing that the bill would not undermine the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision affirming a woman's right to end a pregnancy.

"The criminals who commit these crimes are not committing abortions," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee. "They are depriving these unborn children of the right to life. It's a separate issue related to the right to life."

Groups on both sides of the abortion issue lobbied hard on the legislation. Johnson's group noted that family members — including Laci Peterson's mother — who had lost loved ones in attacks on pregnant women were in Washington to urge senators to pass the bill.

The Christian Coalition of America said votes for either the Murray or Feinstein amendments would be regarded as negative votes on its annual congressional scorecard of lawmakers.

On the other side, NARAL Pro-Choice America delivered more than 130,000 petitions to senators urging defeat of the bill because the group said it would allow judges to rule that humans at any stage of development deserve protection, even when that protection trumps a woman's interest in ending a pregnancy.

"This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."


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To: Coleus
Question: On the Amendment (Feinstein Amdt. No. 2858 )

YEAs ---49
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---50
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 1
Biden (D-DE)

81 posted on 03/26/2004 9:54:56 AM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: onyx
Specter and Collins voted for the Feinstein also.
82 posted on 03/26/2004 9:55:50 AM PST by Fast Ed97
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To: Howlin
Great news, Howlin! Thanks!
83 posted on 03/26/2004 11:09:09 AM PST by Sandylapper
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To: Jim Noble
You're not gonna tell me that they slaughter children out of compassionate concern for women, are you?

If so, I see a problem with their "compassion".
84 posted on 03/26/2004 11:10:02 AM PST by watchin
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To: jwalsh07
"He hates unborn babies"

Perhaps, but more to the point, he'd rape his mother if he thought it would get him a couple more votes.

85 posted on 03/26/2004 11:13:45 AM PST by watchin
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To: watchin
You're not gonna tell me that they slaughter children out of compassionate concern for women, are you?

No.

They are on a cultural jihad to make good evil, and evil, good.

A lot of them would do it for free.

86 posted on 03/26/2004 11:14:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Fledermaus
"Choice" is the key word here. Most supposedly "pro-choice" liberals want to deny you the right to choice through school vouchers, the use of your own land, the discipline of your children, the medication of your child (ADD/ritalin), gun ownership, etc. ad nauseum.

They're not pro-choice at all. They're pro-abortion, but don't have the honesty to say so.
87 posted on 03/26/2004 11:17:53 AM PST by watchin
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To: Fledermaus
Excellent point.
88 posted on 03/26/2004 11:21:09 AM PST by watchin
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To: Jim Noble
I don't think so. You eat an elephant one bite at a time.

Social conservatives have been losers for a long time because they want it all at once. It is a principled stand, but not a winning strategy. It is natural to take a principled stand against a half measure. Unfortunately, that means we don't even take half-steps forward ... usually.

The libs have been mighty successful because they have no principles to get in their way. They are simply trying to eliminate morality and principle, and any step toward Gomorrah, no matter how small, is a step in the right direction in their minds.

This is no disaster. The unborn just got their first protection under the law. The double standard you speak of may lead to the eventual undoing of the preposterous and unconstitutional Roe vs. Wade.

Think about this: Conservatives, who want the whole enchilada at once, think this is a disaster. But liberals, who have gotten us where we are in tiny increments, think it is a disaster, too.

They're scared to death that we've learned to fight.
89 posted on 03/26/2004 11:36:21 AM PST by watchin
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To: Jim Noble
Okay ... I took your statement exactly backwards. We're on the same page.
90 posted on 03/26/2004 11:39:40 AM PST by watchin
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Thanks for the ping, and for this eloquent and insightful summation of what yesterday’s vote actually demonstrated. Too many times, altruistic-sounding titles make sham amendments appear noble. Durbin’s and Feinstein’s amendments were sterling examples of such ignoble subterfuges.

That self-professed moderate Arlen Specter was among the handful of hypocrites that supported both sickening amendments (each of which would have made altogether meaningless the bill to which they were attached) should serve as a wake up call for all Pennsylvania Republicans.

And the fact that Rick Santorum, who is possibly the most pro-life Senator on the Hill, would endorse Specter, and appear in several of his campaign commercials, is beyond comprehension to this particular conservative Pennsylvanian.

If convenient cross-over union democrats who are last-minute registering as Republicans for the Pennsylvania primary don’t succeed in wresting this election from Pat Toomey, Specter, for the remainder of this year, may be registering his last few hypocritical votes. The man who will fill his seat cherishes the lives of the unborn, and reviles hypocrisy.

~ joanie

91 posted on 03/26/2004 4:39:12 PM PST by joanie-f (All that we know and love depends on three simple things: sunlight, soil, and the fact that it rains)
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To: MegaSilver
Ban on PBA and now this Act, those from NOW and NARAL must be steaming mad.
92 posted on 03/26/2004 4:44:24 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
WOOHOO!

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

93 posted on 03/26/2004 5:33:17 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (Pre-empt the third muder attempt: Pray for Terri Schiavo.)
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To: NYer; Coleus
The hard work of so many people together with the prayers of the faithful and graces at the hands of our Blessed Mother. Plus we had St. Gabriel on the job! How great is that!

Praised be Jesus Christ!

94 posted on 03/26/2004 5:48:55 PM PST by Siobhan (+Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet+)
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To: watchin
100% correct!
95 posted on 03/26/2004 11:59:23 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "I give Dick Clarke's American Grandstand a 39...you can't dance to it.")
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To: 88keys; Akron Al; babyface00; Bikers4Bush; boxerblues; Captiva; Commiewatcher; Common Tator; ...
My Ohio Freeper Friends, Too often I tend to only look at the negative, and only contact my Senators when they do something I don't like.

Please join me in contacting the offices of Sens. DeWine and Voinovich and thanking them for their co-sponsorship and correct voting on this issue. Voinovich 202-224-3353

DeWine 202-224-2315

In God We Trust…..Semper Fi!

96 posted on 03/27/2004 5:20:33 AM PST by North Coast Conservative (Never take a gun to a gunfight that is less than .40 cal)
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To: Mr. Silverback
One step forward!
97 posted on 03/28/2004 1:22:38 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: boxerblues
Bump for later read
98 posted on 03/31/2004 8:18:33 AM PST by STOCKHRSE ( The preceding is this FReeper's opinion and is submitted rhetorically. .........Rhetorically!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Here are the House members who voted for the sham substitute bill sponsored by the pro-abortion Zoe Lofgren that (like the sham substitute sponsored by Feinstein in the Senate) would have completely gutted the intent of the bill and, instead of treating the unborn baby who was murdered as a victim, it merely increases the penalty if someone attacks a pregnant woman (so if the baby dies but the woman survives, the murderer can't be charged with murder). I have included a notation beside the name of each RINO (looking for the GOP label is not enough) and also besides each of the hypocrites who then turned around and voted (less than 20 minutes later!) for final passage of Laci and Conner's Law.

Abercrombie
Ackerman
Allen
Andrews
Baca
Baird
Baldwin
Ballance
Bass (RINO ALERT)
Becerra
Berkley
Berman
Biggert (RINO ALERT)
Bishop (GA) (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Bishop (NY)
Blumenauer
Boehlert (RINO ALERT) (HAS ANNOUNCED RETIREMENT)
Bono (RINO ALERT)
Boswell
Boucher
Boyd
Bradley (NH) (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Brady (PA)
Brown (OH)
Brown, Corrine
Capps
Capuano
Cardin
Carson (IN)
Case
Castle (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Clay
Clyburn
Conyers
Cooper
Crowley (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Cummings
Davis (AL)
Davis (CA)
Davis (FL)
Davis (IL)
DeFazio
DeGette
Delahunt
DeLauro
Deutsch
Dicks
Dingell
Dooley (CA)
Dunn (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT) (REPLACED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Edwards
Emanuel
Engel
Eshoo
Etheridge
Evans
Farr
Fattah
Filner
Ford
Frank (MA)
Frelinghuysen (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Frost
Gephardt
Gonzalez
Gordon (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Granger (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Green (TX)
Greenwood (RINO ALERT) (REPLACED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Grijalva
Gutierrez
Harman
Hastings (FL)
Hill (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT) (DEFEATED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Hinchey
Hinojosa
Hobson (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Hoeffel
Holt
Hooley (OR)
Houghton (RINO ALERT) (REPLACED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Hoyer
Inslee
Israel
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Jefferson (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Johnson (CT) (RINO ALERT)
Johnson, E. B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Kelly (RINO ALERT)
Kennedy (RI)
Kilpatrick
Kind (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Kolbe (RINO ALERT) (HAS ANNOUNCED RETIREMENT)
Lampson
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Leach (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lofgren
Lowey
Lynch (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Majette
Maloney
Markey
Matheson (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCarthy (NY)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
Meehan
Meek (FL)
Miller (NC)
Miller, George
Moore
Moran (VA)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal (MA) (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Obey (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Ose (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT) (REPLACED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Owens
Pallone
Pascrell
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Pomeroy (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Price (NC)
Pryce (OH) (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Rangel
Reyes
Rodriguez
Ross (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Rothman
Roybal-Allard
Ruppersberger
Rush
Sabo
Sánchez, Linda T.
Sanchez, Loretta
Sanders
Sandlin
Schakowsky
Schiff
Scott (GA) (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Shays (RINO ALERT)
Sherman
Simmons (RINO ALERT)
Slaughter
Smith (WA)
Snyder
Solis
Spratt (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Stark
Strickland
Sweeney (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT)
Tanner (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT)
Tauscher
Thomas (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT) (HAS ANNOUNCED RETIREMENT
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Turner (TX) (HYPOCRITE DEMOCRAT) (REPLACED BY PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN!)
Udall (CO)
Udall (NM)
Van Hollen
Velázquez
Waters
Watson
Watt
Waxman
Weiner
Wexler
Woolsey
Wu
Wynn


99 posted on 09/10/2006 11:50:59 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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