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Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill, heads to President Bush
03.25.03

Posted on 03/25/2004 3:57:58 PM PST by Coleus

Senate Passes Unborn Victims Bill

WASHINGTON, March 25, 2004



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"This bill recognizes that there are two victims. It's as simple as that."
Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio



(AP) The Senate voted Thursday to make it a separate crime to harm a fetus during commission of a violent federal crime, a victory for those seeking to expand the legal rights of the unborn.

The 61-38 vote on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act sends the legislation, after a five-year battle in Congress, to President Bush for his signature. The White House said in a statement that it "strongly supports protection for unborn children." The House passed the bill last month.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said the bill was "powerful because this act is about simple humanity, about simple reality."

But abortion rights lawmakers contended that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

It was the second big win for social conservatives pushing protections for the unborn following enactment of the so-called partial birth abortion ban last year. That ban is now tied up in the courts.

The Senate cleared the way for passage with a 50-49 vote to defeat an amendment, backed by opponents of the bill, that would have increased penalties but maintained that an attack on a pregnant woman was a single-victim crime.

Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., President Bush's opponent this fall, interrupted his campaign schedule to vote yes on the one-victim amendment. He voted no on final passage.

The bill states that an assailant who attacks a pregnant woman while committing a violent federal crime can be prosecuted for separate offenses against both the woman and her unborn child. The legislation defines an "unborn child" as a child in utero, which it says "means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

"This bill recognizes that there are two victims," said Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, a chief sponsor. Americans, he said, "intuitively know that there is a victim besides the mother."

The key obstacle was an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., that would have imposed the same tougher penalties outlined in the DeWine bill but classified any attack on a pregnant woman as a single-victim crime, avoiding the issue of fetal rights and the question of when a person attains personhood.

Feinstein said that by defining when life begins, the bill was "the first step in removing a woman's right to choice, particularly in the early months of a pregnancy before viability." She said it could also chill embryonic stem cell research.

The Senate also defeated an amendment by Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., that would require employers to give unpaid leave, and states to pay unemployment benefits, to women when they or family members are victims of domestic or sexual violence.

Supporters of the bill have named it after Laci Peterson and her unborn child, Conner, victims in the highly publicized murder case in California. California, one of 29 states with an unborn victims law, is trying Peterson's husband, Scott, on double murder charges.

Laci Peterson's stepfather, Ron Grantski, said at a Capitol Hill news conference that he and Laci's mother had received several hundred thousand sympathy cards and "they all mourned our loss of Laci and Conner — not Laci and the fetus."

The Senate bill covers 68 federal crimes of violence, such as drug-related shootings, violence at an international airport, terrorist attacks, crimes on a military base or threats against a witness in a federal proceeding.

It would specifically exclude prosecution of legally performed abortions — a fact supporters cite in arguing that the bill would not undermine the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision affirming a woman's right to end a pregnancy.

"The criminals who commit these crimes are not committing abortions," said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee. "They are depriving these unborn children of the right to life. It's a separate issue related to the right to life."

Groups on both sides of the abortion issue lobbied hard on the legislation. Johnson's group noted that family members — including Laci Peterson's mother — who had lost loved ones in attacks on pregnant women were in Washington to urge senators to pass the bill.

The Christian Coalition of America said votes for either the Murray or Feinstein amendments would be regarded as negative votes on its annual congressional scorecard of lawmakers.

On the other side, NARAL Pro-Choice America delivered more than 130,000 petitions to senators urging defeat of the bill because the group said it would allow judges to rule that humans at any stage of development deserve protection, even when that protection trumps a woman's interest in ending a pregnancy.

"This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."


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To: Fledermaus
It's a state issue, as are almost all laws governing human interaction. Do you really want to turn over every aspect of your existence to the Big Stupid Government parasites in D.C.?
41 posted on 03/25/2004 6:01:38 PM PST by Hank Rearden (Never let your life be directed by people who could only get government jobs.)
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To: Coleus
On the other side, NARAL Pro-Choice America delivered more than 130,000 petitions to senators urging defeat of the bill because the group said it would allow judges to rule that humans at any stage of development deserve protection, even when that protection trumps a woman's interest in ending a pregnancy.

"This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman," said NARAL president Kate Michelman. "Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."

42 posted on 03/25/2004 6:01:43 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Hank Rearden
I'll buy that. It should remain in the states. I know my state of TN would probably flat out outlaw the procedure.

But as of now it's NOT a state issue thanks the the Supreme Court so it's proper for Congress to make law.

And until conservatives get more strict constitutional judges on the benches...you have to fight in the arena available in my opinion.
43 posted on 03/25/2004 6:08:54 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: Coleus
"Much of this is preparing for the day the Supreme Court has a majority that will overrule Roe v. Wade."

Please, dear Lord, please.

44 posted on 03/25/2004 6:08:57 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Coleus; JohnnyZ; Kuksool; Clintonfatigued; Dan from Michigan; Coop; Impy; LdSentinal; ...
Just like in the case of the partial-birth abortion ban, the most important vote here was not on final passage (which was a foregone conclusion), but on the consideration of a sham substitute amendment that would completely gut the intent of the bill. In the case of the PBA ban, the sham substitute amendment was offered by Dick Durbin of Illinois, and would have provided an exception to a late-term abortion ban in cases in which the health of the mother (including mental health), which of course would not have banned a single partial-birth abortion. In the case of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci and Conner's Law), the sham substitute amendment was sponsored by Diane Feinstein of California and, instead of treating the unborn baby who was murdered as a victim, it merely increases the penalty if someone attacks a pregnant woman (so if the baby dies but the woman survives, the murderer can't be charged with murder). Just like several hypocrites voted for Durbin's phony substitute amendment and, when the amendment failed and it was clear that the PBA ban would be approved, turned around and voted for the true PBA ban in order to claim that they opposed partial-birth abortions, 10 hypocrites voted for Feinstein's sham substitute amendment to Laci and Conner's Law and then, after it failed by a razor-thin 50-49 vote, voted for passage of the true Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Two of the hypocrites in both the PBA ban and Laci and Conner's Law were Democrat Tom Daschle and RINO Arlen Specter, and the pro-lifers in South Dakota and Pennsylvania, respectively, should never forget that and do everything they can to elect John Thune and Pat Toomey to the U.S. Senate. Daschle and Specter are like two peas in a pod, and they both deserve to be retired by their constituents so that they stop trying to derail pro-life measures while claiming to be "moderates."

Here is the list of Senators, starting off with the 49 Herods, 45 RATs and 4 RINOs (Arlen Specter of PA, Lincoln Chafee of RI, Susan Collins of ME and Olympia Snowe of ME), who voted for the phony substitute amendment (I added a note beside the names of the hypocrites who later voted for final passage of Laci and Conner's Law), and then showcasing the 50 honorable Senators who voted against Feinstein's sham substitute amendment, 47 Republicans and 3 genuine pro-life Democrats (Zell Miller of GA, Ben Nelson of NE and John Breaux of LA).

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---49
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Chafee (R-RI) (RINO ALERT!)
Clinton (D-NY)
Collins (R-ME) (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT!)
Conrad (D-ND) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Daschle (D-SD) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Dayton (D-MN) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Graham (D-FL)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Pryor (D-AR) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Rockefeller (D-WV) (HYPOCRITE RAT)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Snowe (R-ME) (RINO ALERT!)
Specter (R-PA) (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT!)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---50
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 1
Biden (D-DE)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00061#position


Of especial interest is the fact that supposed "moderates" Evan Bayh of IN, John Edwards of NC, Bill Nelson of FL, Max Baucus of MT and Bob Graham of FL all voted against Laci and Conner's Law. Could it be a coincidence that each of these Democrat Senators is vying for the VP slot and needs to establish his ultraliberal bona fides so that John Kerry (who, of course, voted against Laci and Conner's Law) will select him as his running mate?
45 posted on 03/25/2004 6:19:25 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Hank Rearden
"Why is this a Federal Government issue?"


Because Laci and Conner's law applies to unborn victims of violence as a result of violations of federal law. If you break a federal law in a way that results in the death of an unborn baby (e.g., shoot a pregnant woman in a post office or in the District of Columbia or while doing a car-jacking), the law applies to you. If your crime violates a state, not federal, law, then Laci and Conner's Law would not apply to you even if an unborn baby dies because of your actions. So the law does not infringe upon states' rights.
46 posted on 03/25/2004 6:25:50 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
I just noticed that it was 12, not 10, hypocrites who voted for Feinstein's sham substitute amendment and then turned around and voted for final passage.
47 posted on 03/25/2004 6:27:48 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: watchin
Indeed.

Go Nethercutt go.

48 posted on 03/25/2004 6:31:03 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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NEWS FLASH
Senate defeats single-victim substitute,
49-50, and passes the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, 61-38! 
The bill now goes to President Bush for his signature!


50 posted on 03/25/2004 7:15:20 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Question: On the Amendment (Feinstein Amdt. No. 2858 )

Cantwell (D-WA) Catholic
Daschle (D-SD) (HYPOCRITE RAT) Catholic
Dodd (D-CT) Catholic
Durbin (D-IL) Catholic
Harkin (D-IA) Catholic
Kennedy (D-MA) Catholic
Kerry (D-MA) Catholic
Landrieu (D-LA) (HYPOCRITE RAT) Catholic
Leahy (D-VT) Catholic
Mikulski (D-MD) Catholic
Murray (D-WA) Catholic
Reed (D-RI) Catholic

Not Voting - 1
Biden (D-DE)
Catholic

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

An Old Testament, Litany of Life
Canon Law and Abortion
Sign Petition: To Excommunicate
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition


The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion
By: Fr. Frank A. Pavone

51 posted on 03/25/2004 7:23:37 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Fledermaus
And too damn bad your mother didn't have that choice". >>

Thanks, I'll use that.
52 posted on 03/25/2004 7:24:17 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: NYer
Amen.

The 61-38 vote on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act sends the legislation, after a five-year battle in Congress, to President Bush for his signature. The White House said in a statement that it "strongly supports protection for unborn children."

Thank God for President Bush.

53 posted on 03/25/2004 7:33:09 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: Gator113
That amendment waa possibly designed specifically to send the bill to conference and effectively kill the bill.
54 posted on 03/25/2004 7:33:50 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: MEG33; RGSpincich; The Other Harry; Quilla; runningbear; oceanperch; spectre; PennsylvaniaMom; ...
Good news bump!
55 posted on 03/25/2004 7:37:13 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
FYI.
56 posted on 03/25/2004 7:44:48 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin; GummyIII
Thank you for the ping Howlin!

GummyIII, ping to you too..

57 posted on 03/25/2004 7:47:11 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Howlin
I do not understand the nay votes,even by the pro abortion Senators.They are for a mother's "choice",not an attacker's "choice" .Is it the humanizing,real unborn baby suggestion that scares them?
58 posted on 03/25/2004 8:04:44 PM PST by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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Collins (R-ME) (HYPOCRITE RINO ALERT!) Catholic
59 posted on 03/25/2004 8:21:08 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: deport
Anyone know why Judd Gregg (R-NH) didn't vote?
60 posted on 03/25/2004 8:27:36 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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